Which is more illegal? Lane Hogging? Or undertaking somebody lane hogging?

bigadaj

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

I would have thought that it is entirely self evident - on an empty-ish 3-lane motorway, you have a greater margin of safety by driving in Lane 2, as you then have a lane on either side into which you can drive should something untoward occur.

What part of that don't you understand?

Not if there's a hard shoulder as there generally is, you obviously are more worried about having more room on your left than your right should there be a meteorite strike or similar.

GTE_Boy

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

I have been a member of the Institute of Advanced Motorists since 1990 (not that I'm suggesting that - other than the concept of constantly evaluating hazards - this is IAM policy).

Anyway, "advanced driving" is much more about a state of mind, and always thinking about what the optimal way of driving, rather than just observing a set of "rules" which may not be optimal in every circumstance.

So driving in lane two is nothing more than your own concept of advanced driving.

GabbaGabbaHey

GTE_Boy wrote: »

So driving in lane two is nothing more than your own concept of advanced driving.

Absolutely - I never suggested otherwise. And I would only advocate it in particular circumstances.

It comes from a lifetime of questioning "why" I do certain things, rather than dumbly obeying set "rules". Normally, you wouldn't drive in the middle lane, but there are circumstances when it is the correct thing to do.

GabbaGabbaHey

bigadaj wrote: »

Not if there's a hard shoulder as there generally is, you obviously are more worried about having more room on your left than your right should there be a meteorite strike or similar.

The fact that you seek to trivialise my argument indicates that you really have no concept whatsoever of advanced driving techniques, nor of preparing for the unexpected. It worries me that I have to share road space with people like you.

I suggest that you go and read a copy of Roadcraft, and then try to pass an advanced test (IAM, RoSPA or whatever) before you opine on issues that you really don't understand.

Nomad44

Shifting from 3rd to 6th is worse, imo

GTE_Boy

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

Absolutely - I never suggested otherwise. And I would only advocate it in particular circumstances.

It comes from a lifetime of questioning "why" I do certain things, rather than dumbly obeying set "rules". Normally, you wouldn't drive in the middle lane, but there are circumstances when it is the correct thing to do.

So when would you do it?

GabbaGabbaHey

GTE_Boy wrote: »

So when would you do it?

Obviously depending on precise circumstances, but generally when (1) it's not interfering with any other traffic, and (2) it allows me to have an equal margin of safety on either side of the car. Which I accept will happen relatively infrequently.

GTE_Boy

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

Obviously depending on precise circumstances, but generally when (1) it's not interfering with any other traffic, and (2) it allows me to have an equal margin of safety on either side of the car. Which I accept will happen relatively infrequently.

If you're the only one there then you don't need the safety margin and should be in lane 1.

GabbaGabbaHey

GTE_Boy wrote: »

If you're the only one there then you don't need the safety margin and should be in lane 1.

No -because the unexpected event might not be related to another vehicle (mechanical failure, blowout, debris on road, very uneven road surface, somebody throwing something from a bridge, bird dropping something...)

Tilt

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

I was referring to advanced driving techniques, whereby a driver constantly evaluates a number of factors - including visibility, traffic density, weather conditions, etc - and then makes decisions regarding their speed, acceleration, braking, gear selection, road positioning, etc.

All drivers should "evaluate" those "factors"

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

In certain circumstances, driving in the middle lane of a motorway (when there is no impact on other traffic) may be the most appropriate and safest choice of road positioning.

Maybe appropriate to you but it's NOT the correct way to drive on a 3 lane motorway

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

The Highway Code, while admirable, is a set of guidance which by its very nature will try to cover a multitude of circumstances and will not provide the optimal advice in every possible circumstance.

The Highway Code can be used in evidence in court when dealing with careless/reckless/dangerous and other RTA matters so it's not to be regarded simply as "guidance".

GabbaGabbaHey wrote: »

I'm curious as to what "offence" you think that one might be culpable of, if one were driving in the middle lane of a section of motorway with no other traffic on it?

Section 3 of the road traffic act 1988; If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence I don't see any exemption in either the RTA or Highway Code that says "except when there is no other traffic".

If you really do hold a IAM membership, my opinion of the scheme has just been severely trashed.