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Why are leavers so angry

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  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    People only reflect what they see in the public and political space.

    I can see quite a lot of divided debate, sometimes civil, sometimes quite bitter.

    It's rather like the early days after a divorce.

    Give it time, people will eventually accept and begin to heal.

    Why didn't the author compare the resulting behaviour to the Scottish indy ref? It's very similar in many ways. The 'Leavers' in that example have shown no real acceptance yet.
  • There are really only two likely ways for Brexit to play out...

    And in both options the howls of anger from the 'sore winners' will be loud.
    The first is a compromise to avoid the economy tumbling over a cliff. We already know Ukip and the Tory right will denounce as a sellout any transitional arrangement that involves Britain still obeying the European Court of Justice, still paying money to the EU and still accepting freedom of movement.

    Or the second option....
    But, and this is as likely, suppose we go over the cliff. What will the right say to all those who lose their jobs and businesses? You can already guess it will blame the Germans and the French. We could have had a good deal, it will maintain as it pretends the world owes us a living, but wicked foreigners connived against us. The xenophobic fury will be cranked up so loud it will drown out an obvious question, which must haunt the Leavers even now: does not responsibility for a disaster lie with the men and women who have led us to disaster?

    You can read more about both options here....

    Why are the Leave campaigners so angry? Because they fear the demagogic rage and charlatan tricks they have used against others will one day be used against them.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • A left wing rag taking a pop at those who voted out? Well who would have thought.
  • kabayiri
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    A left wing rag taking a pop at those who voted out? Well who would have thought.

    It's probably a bit of freebie journalism as well.

    It's all about the "clicks" in the online space.

    Saying something factual might be considered dull.

    Better to go all emotive and describe how "rebellion is in the air". The forums will do the job of spreading the clicks wider.
  • Thrugelmir
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    kabayiri wrote: »

    Why didn't the author compare the resulting behaviour to the Scottish indy ref? It's very similar in many ways. The 'Leavers' in that example have shown no real acceptance yet.

    Nor will they. Until such time as they lose credibility.
  • ruggedtoast
    ruggedtoast Posts: 9,819 Forumite
    Leave is an ugly camp anyway. As the journalist pointed out it was an awkward alliance in the first place, of xenophobes, racists, axe grinders, victims, political opportunists who should have known better, and - to put it kindly, those who are very easily led.

    Brexit has disappointed all of them. Those who thought there was going to be a racist revolution are disappointed and think they are the victims of a liberal plot.

    People who thought they had somehow stuck it to the status quo are seeing the status quo wearing £1000 leather trousers and doing just fine.

    Anyone who thought they were going to be financially better off has just had a budget which, unless they were already a high earner, has shafted them completely.

    So they are all jolly angry, well, couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
  • kabayiri wrote: »
    Give it time, people will eventually accept and begin to heal..

    No - they won't.

    You don't strip people's rights and citizenship away from them against their will and expect them to 'eventually accept and heal'.

    We are a nation divided - and that division is going to get much, much worse over the coming years.

    Leave voters may have won the battle - but they'll lose the war.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Matt_L
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    No - they won't.

    You don't strip people's rights and citizenship away from them against their will and expect them to 'eventually accept and heal'.

    We are a nation divided - and that division is going to get much, much worse over the coming years.

    Leave voters may have won the battle - but they'll lose the war.

    I call rubbish, this guy is clearly a remainer and views this as a war...

    Im a leaver and couldn't be more happy:j
    "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers."
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    No - they won't.

    You don't strip people's rights and citizenship away from them against their will and expect them to 'eventually accept and heal'.

    We are a nation divided - and that division is going to get much, much worse over the coming years.

    Leave voters may have won the battle - but they'll lose the war.

    You've been listening to Shakey too much. :D
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    Matt_L wrote: »
    I call rubbish, this guy is clearly a remainer and views this as a war...

    Im a leaver and couldn't be more happy:j

    Hamish has a clear out route.

    He could vote SNP and support iScotland going back in to the EU.

    In fact he has contemplated this on these forums.

    (It's part of the 'acceptance' process...looking for alternates...)
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