Why are leavers so angry

mayonnaise

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

There are really only two likely ways for Brexit to play out...

And in both options the howls of anger from the 'sore winners' will be loud.

Very worrying.
We already saw a dramatic increase in hate crime when numbskull brexiteers interpreted the outcome of the vote as a green light to go on an anti-foreigner rampage on our streets.
Once it dawns on them they've been sold a dud, one can only wonder where their blind rage will take them next.

Doshwaster

prowla wrote: »

I don't understand why people think that something this complex can be just done without planning?

Some people seem to think that leaving the EU is as simple as cancelling your direct debit for a magazine subscription.

Yet we need sort out what happens to environmental protection rules, European arrest warrants, access to criminal databases, rights of existing citizens in UK/EU, cross border customs (no more booze cruise to France), tax treaties, regulation of airline routes, medicine approvals, Patent/IP protection, security cooperation, regional development, international science projects, farming subsidies, student funding and countless more unintended consequences which we probably haven't even thought about yet. All of these won't just happen automatically. They will need a legal framework.

Apparently David Davis' Department of Exiting the European Union is talking to over 50 separate sectors of the economy to see how they will be impacted.

HornetSaver

Fella wrote: »

I emphatically disagree with that (in this case). I think it's the only way Brexit will happen at all.

If Article 50 was triggered today, people would be forced to focus on resolving all the difficult issues within 2 years.

That's a reasonable position to hold today.

It's reasonable to ask today, when the Government has had six months to debate "what's next?", why we are taking nine months. I don't agree with those asking that question by the way. I think the longer we string this out, the more clearly defined our negotiating priorities will be, and keener the EU will be to get it over with. The one flaw in that logic is that, had Theresa May not set a date, then the longer we left it, the more (well-founded) concern there would have been that it would have been left indefinitely.

Yours was not a reasonable position to hold on 24 June, because the prerequisite of a complex negotiation is that you understand your own priorities. Beyond being committed to no longer being a member of the EU, I don't think they were clear on 24 June.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Very worrying.
We already saw a dramatic increase in hate crime when numbskull brexiteers interpreted the outcome of the vote as a green light to go on an anti-foreigner rampage on our streets.
Once it dawns on them they've been sold a dud, one can only wonder where their blind rage will take them next.

are you aiming to topple the toxic toastie from his hate slot?

ruggedtoast

Brexit thugs send hate crime soaring by 41%

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crimes-racism-eu-referendum-vote-attacks-increase-police-figures-official-a7358866.html

ruggedtoast

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-voters-less-likely-to-engage-with-wider-world-a7482841.html

People who don't engage as much with the wider world are overwhelmingly more likely to have voted for Brexit, research has found.

Little Englanders want England to be more little.

Cornucopia

Just because a few idiot racists are idiot racists, it doesn't discount the entire Brexit cause or the half of the population that voted for it.

That would be like saying one anti-semitic Labour supporter makes the entire Labour movement anti-semitic, which it clearly isn't (I think).

ruggedtoast

Cornucopia wrote: »

Just because a few idiot racists are idiot racists, it doesn't discount the entire Brexit cause or the half of the population that voted for it.

That would be like saying one anti-semitic Labour supporter makes the entire Labour movement anti-semitic, which it clearly isn't (I think).

If one anti semitic Labour supporter had sent racist attacks on Jews spiralling by 41% I think you could determine that their movement was rather rooted in anti-semitism, yes.

As ever with the Right, their own extreme fringes are never their problem or responsibility.

David Cameron dismissed UKIP as "closet racists" in public then privately oriented the entirety of Tory foreign policy around kowtowing to them. Now UKIP, a party with one MP, appears to be in charge of the Conservative government and Kippers dismiss hate criminals as nothing to do with them.

mrginge

mayonnaise wrote: »

Very worrying.
We already saw a dramatic increase in hate crime when numbskull brexiteers interpreted the outcome of the vote as a green light to go on an anti-foreigner rampage on our streets.
Once it dawns on them they've been sold a dud, one can only wonder where their blind rage will take them next.

I think we all remember that 'anti-foreigner rampage'
Awful. I couldn't even get into aldi because of the burnt out cars. Fortunately the army were deployed and they cracked some heads. I did get accidentally shot a couple of times but never mind.

Terrible terrible days.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

if you have figures that show we have virtually no foreign born over retirement age i would love to see them

Why can't foreign born people retire here if they've been paying in for as much as 49 years?

What about 2nd generation foreigners? Should they be allowed to retire here? Where do you draw the line?