Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

Firetastic

I know there are a lot of threads on Brexit on this forum. But what I would like is a simple analysis of whether Brexit will be good for Britain.? As in " Yes, No and Why/Why not"

I was a Remainer and live in Scotland. So it obviously wasn't what I wanted. However we are where we are and I am accepting the result. As for being good for Britain I don't know is my truthful answer. I don't know if trade deals with other countries will be good although we will have a bigger market to do trade deals with ie the rest of the world and 165 countries.

So what are your opinions?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

No.

There are no realistic outcomes where Brexit is good for Britain.

Only varying degrees of self-harm.

The madness of dramatically worsening your trade terms with your nearest neighbour, the worlds biggest single market, that consumes 45% of what you sell, to replace it with unknown and likely nowhere near as good trade terms with distant countries on the other side of the World at some point far in the future.... will rapidly become apparent as the act of reckless foolishness it is.

We'll end up at best working twice as hard just to stand still or more likely declining rapidly with much lower standards of living ahead for us all.

Masomnia

Yes.

Short term it will be bumpy no doubt. But the EU is stagnant, bureaucratic, and ineffective. The real growth over the next few decades will be (and already is) coming from the East, and disentangling ourselves from the morass over the channel and partnering more with Eastern countries will be good for us.

Doshwaster

Firetastic wrote: »

I was a Remainer and live in Scotland. So it obviously wasn't what I wanted. However we are where we are and I am accepting the result. As for being good for Britain I don't know is my truthful answer. I don't know if trade deals with other countries will be good although we will have a bigger market to do trade deals with ie the rest of the world and 165 countries.

So what are your opinions?

As someone living in Scotland, do you think the UK leaving the EU will make a second referendum and Scottish independence and a victory for the "Yes" side more likely?

We also don't know what the effect on Northern Ireland will be.

Firetastic

Doshwaster wrote: »

As someone living in Scotland, do you think the UK leaving the EU will make a second referendum and Scottish independence and a victory for the "Yes" side more likely?

We also don't know what the effect on Northern Ireland will be.

It might make it more likely that Sturgeon will hold another referendum however whether she wins it is another question entirely. You can't trust polls it seems nowadays but support according to the polls seems to be dropping for independence. Whether that is true I don't know.

steampowered

No, I don't think so.

The value of our currency has dropped by 15%. That will feed through into a drop in living standards as people find that their salaries aren't worth as much.

It would need a hell of a change in the UK's economic position to reverse that.

Doshwaster

Firetastic wrote: »

It might make it more likely that Sturgeon will hold another referendum however whether she wins it is another question entirely. You can't trust polls it seems nowadays but support according to the polls seems to be dropping for independence. Whether that is true I don't know.

If the SNP are to have any hope of winning "IndyRef II" then they would need to find a answer to the currency question. Would it be the pound, Euro or a new Scottish currency? Salmond's failure to explain what would happen to people's money was one of the main reasons he lost.

Masomnia

Doshwaster wrote: »

If the SNP are to have any hope of winning "IndyRef II" then they would need to find a answer to the currency question. Would it be the pound, Euro or a new Scottish currency? Salmond's failure to explain what would happen to people's money was one of the main reasons he lost.

Mm this is why the status quo side always have the upper hand, as if you're up against the 'establishment' and arguing for change you're asking people to have a bit of faith. They were always on a hiding to nothing on that question because whatever Salmond said there was some way of criticising him - and he was never in a position to give any certainty anyway.

The most probable answer is 'The Euro' I would have thought, and maybe this time around with the Pound devalued it would be more popular. It would be interesting to see just how pro-remain Scotland really is if they did argue for independence and remaining with the Euro.

Matt_L

My entire family and all my friends voted to remain yet i voted to leave believing we will be much better off..

I am so happy with my decision and thankfully my entire family and most my friends have changed their views. All besides two friends would now vote to leave...

michaels

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

No.

There are no realistic outcomes where Brexit is good for Britain.

Only varying degrees of self-harm.

The madness of dramatically worsening your trade terms with your nearest neighbour, the worlds biggest single market, that consumes 45% of what you sell, to replace it with unknown and likely nowhere near as good trade terms with distant countries on the other side of the World at some point far in the future.... will rapidly become apparent as the act of reckless foolishness it is.

We'll end up at best working twice as hard just to stand still or more likely declining rapidly with much lower standards of living ahead for us all.

I guess if all you care about is the economy and what is in your wallet then the answer is probably no.

However the question is about Britain and there is no future for the traditional definition of a nation state within the European superstate.

Doshwaster

michaels wrote: »

I guess if all you care about is the economy and what is in your wallet then the answer is probably no.

Of course I care about the economy and the money in my wallet. Whoa are these people who would prefer to be poorer and suffer higher unemployment?

michaels wrote: »

However the question is about Britain and there is no future for the traditional definition of a nation state within the European superstate.

Maybe the traditional definition of a "nation state" is out dated and needs to change. In this modern interconnected world, no country (apart from maybe North Korea) can be said to be totally sovereign. Even Trump is going to find that international treaties stop some of the things he wants to do.