Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

michaels

In California the vast majority are in favour of environmental protection, universal health care and possibly even gun control. However not being a nation they are out of luck: Just as the counties of the united states of europe (will) have no scope to legislate on issues they feel very strongly about.

michaels

Doshwaster wrote: »

Of course I care about the economy and the money in my wallet. Whoa are these people who would prefer to be poorer and suffer higher unemployment?

Being in the top half of the income distribution and a home owner I benefit from inward unskilled migration holding labour costs down and pushing up house prices whilst those in the lower half lose out. Doesn't mean I think it is right or fair but then perhaps I can see beyond my own wallet.

CLAPTON

Doshwaster wrote: »

Maybe the traditional definition of a "nation state" is out dated and needs to change. In this modern interconnected world, no country (apart from maybe North Korea) can be said to be totally sovereign. Even Trump is going to find that international treaties stop some of the things he wants to do.

which elements of the 'nation' state do you wish to change and in what what?
The world has been connected for many hundreds of years: maybe you regret the passing of the empire

Doshwaster

michaels wrote: »

In California the vast majority are in favour of environmental protection, universal health care and possibly even gun control. However not being a nation they are out of luck: Just as the counties of the united states of europe (will) have no scope to legislate on issues they feel very strongly about.

Coming soon: CalExit - http://www.yescalifornia.org/

ruggedtoast

Brexit won't be good for Britain. Ironically, it will be worst for many of the people who voted for it. Exactly like every time they vote Tory thinking the next Bullingdon twit in a £4000 suit is going to make them a millionaire.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Brexit won't be good for Britain. Ironically, it will be worst for many of the people who voted for it. Exactly like every time they vote Tory thinking the next Bullingdon twit in a £4000 suit is going to make them a millionaire.

given you have often said how much you hate and distain most the people of the UK including the 'working' class, I guess you, at least are very pleased

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

michaels wrote: »

I guess if all you care about is the economy and what is in your wallet then the answer is probably no.

Lets ask some leave voters how financially committed they are to the Brexit cause....

Almost half of British voters who opted to leave the European Union are unwilling to take a financial hit to see Brexit through

49 percent of “Leave” voters aren’t willing to lose any money

40 percent said they would not be willing to sacrifice more than 50 pounds a month

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-11/half-u-k-leave-voters-not-prepared-to-be-worse-off-in-brexit

Oh dear....

Not very committed at all then.

This could turn very ugly, very quickly, once the huge costs of leaving become felt in people's wallets and people realise they've been conned by the Brexiteers....

The_Last_Username

I strongly believe that Brexit is a much better option than remaining in an acknowledgedly-corrupt and increasingly unfair EU.

To that end and to respect the OP's post I have voted "yes" - because I honestly believe that the EU is heading towards a massive restructuring if not a collapse of the entity as it exists now.
Perhaps not immediately but it is almost bound to happen in the not-too-distant future.
So it must be better to be outside the EU than within, though to say that it will be "good" for any country remains to be seen and will be based upon events which as yet have not occurred.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Lets ask some leave voters how financially committed they are to the Brexit cause....


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-11/half-u-k-leave-voters-not-prepared-to-be-worse-off-in-brexit

Oh dear....

Not very committed at all then.

This could turn very ugly, very quickly, once the huge costs of leaving become felt in people's wallets and people realise they've been conned by the Brexiteers....

although a complete load of nonsense ; however I was almost convinced by

Ex-Labour leader predicts ‘almighty backlash’ from voters

I'm sure Hamish was 100% convinced.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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This could turn very ugly, very quickly, once the huge costs of leaving become felt in people's wallets and people realise they've been conned by the Brexiteers....

Obviously.

It's hard to imagine the expectations of the majority of the UK populace to be satisfied in any scenario.

We are almost 50-50 divided looking at the EU referendum.

Can anyone remember another recent referendum where ... erm ... there was a close split?

Ahh, yes. The Scottish indy ref.

Remind me Hamish. Did that referendum put the issue to bed, or is there still wrangling and grumbling from the losing side?

The EU ref merely shone a light on tensions which were already there. David Cameron was rightly concerned with the rising popularity of right wing politics. Others are concerned with the rise in left wing Corbyn politics.

It's perhaps lucky for the established parties that UKIP displays an ability to shoot itself in the foot every few weeks. If it had a better organisation it would make serious inroads.