Driver denying liability accident on roundabout

dannyrst

Given there is no exit at 9 o clock, lane 2 would turn into lane 1 on this roundabout after the first exit at 12.

Therefore, the other car was cutting into the OP's lane by continuing after 12. That car should have taken his exit and turned around when safe to do so.

JP08

dannyrst wrote: »

Given there is no exit at 9 o clock, lane 2 would turn into lane 1 on this roundabout after the first exit at 12.

Therefore, the other car was cutting into the OP's lane by continuing after 12. That car should have taken his exit and turned around when safe to do so.

Nope, lane 2 stays lane 2 and you are changing lanes (you could be going all the way round). Unless it is one of those roundabouts that have spiral lanes on them. The white lines are the big clue.

agrinnall

dannyrst wrote: »

Given there is no exit at 9 o clock, lane 2 would turn into lane 1 on this roundabout after the first exit at 12.

Therefore, the other car was cutting into the OP's lane by continuing after 12. That car should have taken his exit and turned around when safe to do so.

JP08 wrote: »

Nope, lane 2 stays lane 2 and you are changing lanes (you could be going all the way round). Unless it is one of those roundabouts that have spiral lanes on them. The white lines are the big clue.

Well none of us know which of you is right because the OP has failed to do what I asked back in post #5, and everything since then has been speculation.

agrinnall wrote: »

OP, provide a Google Maps (or alternative) link of the roundabout and describe accurately the path you took round it, the path the other car took, and the point of collision.

livetoclimb

This is clearly not the OPs fault - I wonder where half he people bought their driving licenses from.

The other driver did not have a lane to go into - from 12 to 3 o clock there was only one lane. The other driver merged into it whilst the OP was using it to (quite legitimately) go straight ahead.

The OP needs to provide photos/maps or similar so this ridiculous nonsense can stop.

spikyone

JP08 wrote: »

Contrariwise,
(nonsense edited out for the sake of everyone else's sanity)

There's nothing to suggest the OP didn't know the other driver was in the left lane; the OP seems fully aware that drivers in the LH lane were only permitted to take the 12 o'clock exit. The OP did not cross a lane, because the outside lane was not a right-turn lane, and even if someone had come out of the supermarket and gone all the way around the roundabout they should have done so in the right hand lane of the roundabout. There was no reason for anyone in the LH lane to be crossing the OP's path. I'll say again - OP was in the correctly proceeding vehicle.

The other car was the one that was crossing a lane, the driver of the other car should have known that they were in the wrong lane, and clearly did need to look in their mirrors because that's where the OP's car was. There is nothing the OP could realistically have done to avoid the collision, except in the entirely theoretical world of the internet forum !!!!!!.

unforeseen

shaymarriott wrote: »

The other driver did not have a lane to go into - from 12 to 3 o clock there was only one lane. The other driver merged into it whilst the OP was using it to (quite legitimately) go straight ahead.

The OP needs to provide photos/maps or similar so this ridiculous nonsense can stop.

Where did you get that snippet from? Unless badly designed there would be 2 lanes all the way around since the other direction for the dual carriageway is assumedly 2 lanes in and 2 lanes out.

Richard53

spikyone wrote: »

Whether OP was indicating or not is neither here nor there, and those who suggest that OP should have realised the other driver was incorrectly turning right and avoided the accident are relying heavily on the wonderful benefit of hindsight.

I don't think so. I drive over a multi-lane roundabout quite often (five exits, one a motorway and one a service area) where traffic is busy and people are crossing lanes all the time. If I am in lane 2 and going to 12 o'clock, then I *always* check the lane to my left for traffic before I cross lane 1 to my exit, and alter speed or course if necessary. Curses and insults may also be used, obviously. No accidents so far, and no hindsight needed - just proper observation and a realisation that many drivers haven't a clue how to behave on a roundabout.

spikyone wrote: »

Of course, what doesn't help all of this is the number of people on the road who now indicate right when they're intending to take the 12 o'clock exit, which just adds to confusion for those who understand the correct use of indicators...

Now there we agree 100%. It baffles me why people do this, as it has never been recommended in the Highway Code and so can never have been taught by authorised instructors, and yet it is common and getting worse.

photome

JP08 wrote: »

Nope, lane 2 stays lane 2 and you are changing lanes (you could be going all the way round). Unless it is one of those roundabouts that have spiral lanes on them. The white lines are the big clue.

What white lines are you talking about, the op hasn't said where it was

On the limited info the OP has provided the third party shouldn't have been where he was and was to blame but the OP may have been able to avoid the collision with a bit of awareness

unforeseen

photome wrote: »

What white lines are you talking about, the op hasn't said where it was

On the limited info the OP has provided the third party shouldn't have been where he was and was to blame but the OP may have been able to avoid the collision with a bit of awareness

You don't need 'and was to blame'. He may have been in the incorrect lane but he wasn't the cause of the accident, The OPs lack of awareness was the major factor in causing the collision. Probably doing the 'I drive this way every day, I don't have to switch my brain on 'cos I run on autopilot' method of driving

Richard53

spikyone wrote: »

There is nothing the OP could realistically have done to avoid the collision, except in the entirely theoretical world of the internet forum !!!!!!.

Nothing?


Been aware of traffic in an adjacent lane
Been aware if such traffic was signalling or not
Been aware of possible collision if adjacent car decides not to exit as the lane suggests
Slow down until other driver's intentions are clear
Brake or take avoiding action if necessary.


To be clear, I think the OP was in the correct lane and the other driver was clearly in the wrong according to the road layout and Highway Code, but to say the OP could have done nothing to prevent the collision is untrue. There is nearly always something you can do to prevent a collision, even when you are totally in the right. This isn't smartarsery; it's how most of us get home in one piece every day.