Other drivers getting aggravated when turning

rdr

lister wrote: »

Perfectly normal if you are cornering sensibly I'm afraid. Not especially common, but does happen. Sounds like it is probably an urban road, or at least one where the corner is sharp and probably fairly blind into the new road?

The problem is that most people brake late and corner too quickly.

The deciding factor for most drivers is the speed they can physically get the car around the corner. It should be whether they can stop easily on their side of the road in the distance they can see to be clear and can reasonably expect to remain clear. That is often 5-10mph (or even more) less than the safe speed based on the corner geometry.

In terms of timing of the braking, watch cars turning in from behind. For most you'll see the brake lights go out after they are turning (and you can bet your life they are still changing gear if it was needed) - usually about the time the indicator goes on (if it does ). To maximise redundancy, and therefore ability to deal with the unforeseen you should be completing your braking, and any gear change (including releasing the clutch) before you move the steering wheel.

Sounds to me OP like you are doing it well. Trouble is 90% don't leave enough margin in their driving. If even only 1 in 1000 of these gets irritable when 'held up' by someone driving with sensible margins, you can expect occasional aggro.

Indeed, I can count of the figures of one hand the number of corners I have driven round in the last year when the maximum safe speed has been determined by the car's grip, 99.9% of the time it is visiblility.

rdr

Nasqueron wrote: »

Same people who go mental at cyclists for slowing them for 10-30 seconds and don't think anything of sitting in traffic for 5 minutes

Particularly amusing when they end up behind you again at the next junction.

Biggles

I've never had it happen to me. The driver behind knows what I'm doing, knows I'm getting on with it without wasting his or my time* and, if necessary, slows a little behind me. He then gets back up to speed with no time lost.

* I suspect this could be the clue here, esp if it's only happening with you and in several locations. It's to be expected that you indicate early but there's no need to start slowing down until it's necessary. Are you slowing early and indicating later??

reeac

splishsplash wrote: »

If you're only travelling at 30mph, how does it take you fifteen seconds to slow enough to turn?

Therein lies the problem, methinks.

Do the sum, if you know how to. Using v equals at and putting things in feet and seconds and assuming a 0.1g deceleration then to slow from 30 mph to 15 mph requires 6-7 seconds. Add a couple of reaction times and 15 seconds sounds not far out to me.

diamond_dave

Just got to get on this one! I get a similar situation almost every day - the driveway into my house is a little tricky to get into and is offset at a angle. If I want to swing into it on the left I have to cross partially over the white line then swing left. Not a real problem but still get some grief.(I am really careful, by the way with indicating and waiting). However, the problem comes when I need to back in( dd's car in way) and the grief I get by waiting for the traffic to pass is unbelievable! Not that I give a t**s as I pay my VED the same as anyone else. Good luck to you OP - just tell them to Foxtrot Oscar.

Teapot55

If there are pedestrians crossing the side-road that the OP is turning into, they are going to be in a lot less danger than when others, careering round at 30mph are there. Ditto for vehicles approaching the junction in the side road. Can the speed merchants really see the bin lorry just round the corner?

Also, for people who drive commercial vehicles of any size with those tracking devices in, there is big brother watching you and sending an email to your boss every time you brake sharply or take a corner too fast . . .

martinthebandit

Biggles wrote: »

I've never had it happen to me. The driver behind knows what I'm doing, knows I'm getting on with it without wasting his or my time* and, if necessary, slows a little behind me. He then gets back up to speed with no time lost.

* I suspect this could be the clue here, esp if it's only happening with you and in several locations. It's to be expected that you indicate early but there's no need to start slowing down until it's necessary. Are you slowing early and indicating later??

Never had it happen to me either, I suspect the above is close to the mark.

To the OP if it is happening regularly you really need to examine your own driving to find a cause.

Nasqueron

rdr wrote: »

Particularly amusing when they end up behind you again at the next junction.

Yes I do enjoy passing them, especially the ones who rev to race past you when you can clearly see the queueing traffic ahead so they go around and get about 20m and then have to stop in the traffic, I normally just roll along behind the bike in second and give them space.

Worst are the chumps who pull in left as far as they can go to block you filtering on the left, I take delight in just pushing the bike along past them or even walking it along the pavement and getting back in front of them

neilmcl

Biggles wrote: »

I've never had it happen to me. The driver behind knows what I'm doing, knows I'm getting on with it without wasting his or my time* and, if necessary, slows a little behind me. He then gets back up to speed with no time lost.

* I suspect this could be the clue here, esp if it's only happening with you and in several locations. It's to be expected that you indicate early but there's no need to start slowing down until it's necessary. Are you slowing early and indicating later??

I have to agree. Never happened to me as long as you indicate in plenty of time then slow down when appropriate to make the turn. Sounds like the OP is doing something different as you suggest.

Strider590

Nasqueron wrote: »

10-15 seconds is fine to me, indicate and ease off accelerator to slow down to avoid wearing brakes unnecessarily then brake if needed

Whilst I cant really advocate slowing down that much without using the brakes (as this relies solely on the indicators actually working to warn the driver behind), this is pretty much accurate because slowing down is a manoeuvre in itself and slowing down before indicating WILL cause aggravation.
I myself find this regularly, people will gradually slow to a crawl, then indicate, then brake, then turn, and in these circumstances I will probably lean on the horn.