Enormous fine for untaxed vehicle

bigadaj

AdrianC wrote: »

What "selective manipulation?
And where are you getting £1,200 from?

Not low emissions, four axle up to 44 tonnes.

Seems reasonable maximum to me, not included an additional trailer for example.

arcon5

If we add ved to fuel you can be sure as hell you'll be moaning that the cost of goods including food has been forced up

buglawton

Isn't it odd that the penalty for forgetting to submit an income tax return or for paying self employment tax late can be quite low compared to the tax bill? Plus you'll get a 2nd chance reminder.

AdrianC

bigadaj wrote: »

Not low emissions

Most wagons in mainstream use are Euro5 or 6

four axle up to 44 tonnes.

38-44t is outside of normal usage, and much more heavily restricted than up to 38t.

AdrianC

z1a wrote: »

"Never" ? For quite a few years we had an adhesive reminder attached to the bottom of the certificate.

Yes, we did - first a separate sticker, then a peel-off bit of certificate. But it never carried any more legal weight than the little plastic keyring tag that my local test place gives me.

takman

From the amount of threads I have seen online about people being fined for not paying vehicle tax it would seem the fine is not high enough!.

Their really is no reason to just forget to pay for your tax; there are so many different ways to remind yourself. I personally put reminders on my digital calendar and my email, then when it is due i get a notification.
Also if people liked the tax disc then whats stopping them from making their own to display in the window? Or somewhere inside the car?.


In regards to adding the cost of road tax to fuel I think it's unlikely to happen for a number of political and psychological reasons. Firstly the government like to make a big deal about freezing fuel duty and how much people are "saving" by them doing this and people seem to lap this up.
Secondly if fuel rise a few pennies people complain alot and if the government raised prices by 10-15p per litre people would go mad and I wouldn't be surprised if their were protests against it, even though vehicle tax was being abolished.

Even if vehicle tax was abolished they would still need to keep the system in place to keep tract of which vehicles are on the road and which have a SORN etc. So there would be no real cost saving for the government and no real incentive for them to carry out the change and no justification for it.

Also like others have said it will affect big businesses the most by increasing their fuel costs and will only benefit individuals who rarely use their cars. Considering the government are pro business and the growth of the economy a move against businesses to benefit people who hardly use their cars would not be very sensible.

Smartsaver7

You forgot to mention that some people are exempt from tax ( ie severely disabled) and they would be penalised by an increase on the cost of fuel, also organisations like various charitable emergency services would suffer as their vehicles exempt.

And then there is the incentive to buy low emission cars with a lower or zero tax , if the tax scrapped and petrol the same price people would not bother.

borisbravo

buglawton wrote: »

Scrapping annual road tax would put maybe 15p on a litre. It would automatically reward people who drive small vehicles economically and penalise gas guzzlers. I can't think what's not to like, except that HMRC abhors simplicity.

There's another reason I can think of. With used cars being so cheap, the abolishment of VED would encourage Dave to have a number of weekend cars and projects on his driveway, down the street and beyond. Parking would be even more of a problem. By the way, I'm a bit of a Dave too, so no VED would suit me!

theoretica

On the purely environmental standpoint, adding the VED onto fuel would not acknowledge how much of the emissions caused by a car are from making it, so fewer vehicles doing the same overall miles is more environmental. This could of course be covered by a really hefty registration fee, but that too would have repercussions.

societys_child

In the beginning . . .

The rulers decreed, that forthwith thou shall pay a duty to pass thy horseless carriage upon the metalled roadway.

The horseless carriage navigators were up in arms, 'twould be fairer to place this charge on the fuel used they cried . . .

!!! Why did we not think of this !!! mused the rulers?

And so it came to pass that charges were added both to highway usage and duty was also imposed upon the fuels necessary to propel the aforementioned horseless carriages along the said highways (and what a money making scheme that became)

It's a true story!

Always be careful what you wish for.