New goverment car tax rules from April 2017. Your thoughts?

dannyrst

Did he tell you in person or do you have a link? I can't see an article from a quick google?

Gloomendoom

Herzlos wrote: »

You can charge most electric cars to somewhere about 80% in under 20 minutes via fast chargers (those green spaces at the front of motorway services), so I don't think swappable batteries makes any sense now, as it'll probably take 5 minutes to do the swap anyway..

Interestingly, there is an article in this month's Automotive Engineer on fuel cells. I've only skimmed through it, but the author, Kiyoshi Shimizu, chief engineer of the Honda Clarity, believes that fuel cells are the way forward if we want to substantially increase the range of EVs as they can be recharged at a rate similar to combustion engined cars.

Gloomendoom

dannyrst wrote: »

Did he tell you in person or do you have a link? I can't see an article from a quick google?

In person. He's a colleague of mine.

I can send you the relevant lecture slide if you want. I'd have to clear it with him first.

Gloomendoom

dannyrst wrote: »

I'll just leave this article here:
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/11/will-electric-cars-break-grid/

Nice article but it only seems to deal with overall electricity generation capacity and ignores the potential problems associated with distributing the electricity to where it is needed.

dannyrst

Gloomendoom wrote: »

In person. He's a colleague of mine.

I can send you the relevant lecture slide if you want. I'd have to clear it with him first.

No that's fine, I wasn't questioning the truthfulness of your claim, just interested to read how he came to the conclusion. No need to go to extra lengths.

As it stands, there are under 100,000 EV's in circulation in the UK. That number is exponentially increasing, so we're likely to reach 1,000,000 in the next few years, increased by the Tesla Model 3 and Jaguar i-pace in 2018. Nobody else has put such a low number on the estimation of what the grid can handle.

Gloomendoom

dannyrst wrote: »

As it stands, there are under 100,000 EV's in circulation in the UK. That number is exponentially increasing, so we're likely to reach 1,000,000 in the next few years, increased by the Tesla Model 3 and Jaguar i-pace in 2018. Nobody else has put such a low number on the estimation of what the grid can handle.

It's possible that they haven't looked that bigger picture. Beating 1 million in the UK is possible, but it will need investment... and I expect fossil fuel users will be paying for it.

I'll ask him to comment on the article you linked to.

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I'm sure if you can afford a £40K+ car then you can afford the increase in car tax. Same goes for second home buyers with the SDLT.

SaveAPennySaveAPound

Just come off the phone after the most frustrating call with the DVLA.

Their documentation specifies that new car tax rules will apply to new vehicle registrations with a "list price" of £40k or above.

But it does not specify if this is the basic list price of the vehicle BEFORE any extras are added. OR, if it's the list price INCLUSIVE of any extras.

We are just about to take the leap and order our first company vehicle for our new business. With a total price bordering on the threshold, it's important we are clear on how the DVLA are capturing this information?

It would make sense if it was the BASIC vehicle list price, as this would be consistent by manufacture across the board, especially as extras can vary in price and some are factory fitted whilst some are fitted by the dealership themselves.

So far, my answers today from the DVLA have included:

- We cannot tell you until after the budget?!?!
- It's the list price.
- Yes madam, it's definitely the list price

But WTH is the list price? Is that the basic vehicle or plus extras?
Would adding a Service Pack to the order, thus pushing it over £40k on the invoice affect us?
The DVLA just don't know.

I know some will argue if you can afford the 'list price' you can afford the tax. But it would make no financial sense to spend £10 on a wiper blade upgrade (for example!), to go over the limit and cost you hundreds in the long-run.

Can anyone shed any light? Just how are the DVLA calculating this. Even they don't know.

motorguy

SaveAPennySaveAPound wrote: »

Just come off the phone after the most frustrating call with the DVLA.

Their documentation specifies that new car tax rules will apply to new vehicle registrations with a "list price" of £40k or above.

But it does not specify if this is the basic list price of the vehicle BEFORE any extras are added. OR, if it's the list price INCLUSIVE of any extras.

We are just about to take the leap and order our first company vehicle for our new business. With a total price bordering on the threshold, it's important we are clear on how the DVLA are capturing this information?

It would make sense if it was the BASIC vehicle list price, as this would be consistent by manufacture across the board, especially as extras can vary in price and some are factory fitted whilst some are fitted by the dealership themselves.

So far, my answers today from the DVLA have included:

- We cannot tell you until after the budget?!?!
- It's the list price.
- Yes madam, it's definitely the list price

But WTH is the list price? Is that the basic vehicle or plus extras?
Would adding a Service Pack to the order, thus pushing it over £40k on the invoice affect us?
The DVLA just don't know.

I know some will argue if you can afford the 'list price' you can afford the tax. But it would make no financial sense to spend £10 on a wiper blade upgrade (for example!), to go over the limit and cost you hundreds in the long-run.

Can anyone shed any light? Just how are the DVLA calculating this. Even they don't know.

It is believed to be List Price, INCLUDING any optional extras. For example, if your car is £39,500 you pay the lower tax, however if you buy the same car and add leather at a £1,000 option, then you pay the higher tax.


The staff in the DVA wont know or care at the moment as they only do whats in front of their noses.

SaveAPennySaveAPound

Thanks Paul,

So on the same lines... when looking at my dealership price breakdown, the LIST PRICE also includes (currently) £230 for Road Fund Licence.

Would this figure then also contribute to the revised tax prices if taking the total figure over £40k.

ie. Would DVLA tax me higher for having their current tax?

Again, they could not answer me and did not know.