Moving on from being sacked for gross misconduct: Applying for work.

Mr.Generous

I worked for a large firm, part of my duties were to set people up as users for things like computerised stock control and tills. So myself and a number of managers had access to the user and password records of staff. I could set up a dummy user or just borrow other peoples log in. Funnily enough email access was controlled by systems dept, stuff in store wasn't.
Before anyone points the finger at the OP I know from my employment that employee fraud (and any complex clever theft) is almost always done by long serving supervisors / middle managers with good knowledge of systems and procedures. They tend to know the systems better than the bosses and know just what they can get away with.

A temp studying for a legal career stealing bank details, coming in early (alarm / cctv ?) sounds very unlikely to me. I'd be looking elsewhere for the culprit.

xapprenticex

I agree, BUT he will have a hard time convincing a potential employer that he is innocent and his previous employer was dishonest.

Employers tend to side with employers.

I think it probably would have been better to take this one as far as possible as the evidence cant be there to back up that OP did what they say he did if what has been said is true.

daytona0

ScorpiondeRooftrouser wrote: »

Not necessarily. I can log in to any PC on our network using my log in credentials. It's not the physical machine that matters; it's the user account logged into it. He's not clear whether the log in attempt was made from his account.

Aye, and OP has since clarified the situation.

I still feel that there is something more to the story to explain why a "temp" (who didn't have personal login information) has been sacked for gross misconduct, instead of just being sacked without explanation (they don't need to give one in 2 years, unless protected characteristic etc). Very fishy

Alas, I fear that employers maybe as skeptical as me with the story and I hope it helps OP to get an idea of how to handle the situation.

daytona0

googler wrote: »

Not proven.

It was proven to the extent that an employer decided to hold a disciplinary and then sack an employee for gross misconduct.

Whilst that not is proof of wrongdoing, it is a very influential set of events.

eamon

To the OP what is done is done. You can't undo it and you have already moved on. What I would try and do is to put as many jobs between that event and your chosen career as possible. That way it gets lost in the details of your long and distinquished career. Few employers reference check in exhaustive detail and equally few employers give out any information other than basic details. One thing to remember though always get permission from the referees that you do have.

steampowered

This is all totally irrelevant unless the employer finds out the exact circumstances behind the Op leaving his previous job.

I personally think that is unlikely when we are talking about a temporary admin job in the context of an application for a totally different job. Always a chance, that's just a risk the Op has to take.

paddyrg

Back to the OP's position a second...

1) OP sounds like you're the patsy being scapegoated by whoever *did* try to access the bank account. The evidence isn't there, the security procedures suck, and you have been rolled over as a smokescreen. That's awful, and I'm sorry to hear it.
2) Go temping. Temp for 6 months, doing a week or two here or there - your CV will be so busy that 10 jobs ago will seem irrelevant. And if you're good, you may find you get full time offers whilst doing so - many companies use temps to 'try before they buy"

Horrid situation having your integrity called into question. I had it once at a bar job, I was sacked for theft (no I didn't), and it took me years to work out exactly who had framed me and why and when. They didn't even want the money, it was personal, about getting me fired. It's taken a long time to get over the resentment, I'll be honest. Irony is I was doubly insulted that they thought I'd steal a tenner here or there from cash drawers I'd personally counted up and signed for, that they left unattended. If I was going to steal from them (and I still wouldn't, is just not me), it would have been five figures and they'd never have even realised, so to imagine I'd finger a tenner it two was just an insult to my sense of scale if nothing else! I think the people who framed me had been genuinely on the fiddle, I'd spotted and reported several areas stock was being stolen from, wasn't subtle enough about it . Anyway, I empathise, horrid feeling, very unjust.

boliston

The thing i don't understand is that online banking always requires username and password, so if you leave your pc unattended someone would still need to enter username and password to access online banking, so there is no greater security risk of them logging in from your unattended workstation compared with them logging in from their home pc.

Mr.Generous

boliston wrote: »

The thing i don't understand is that online banking always requires username and password, so if you leave your pc unattended someone would still need to enter username and password to access online banking, so there is no greater security risk of them logging in from your unattended workstation compared with them logging in from their home pc.

ok so imagine if they had the user name and password, or it was saved on the system, the IT team might be able to trace whose log on and which pc was used.

daytona0

steampowered wrote: »

This is all totally irrelevant unless the employer finds out the exact circumstances behind the Op leaving his previous job.

I personally think that is unlikely when we are talking about a temporary admin job in the context of an application for a totally different job. Always a chance, that's just a risk the Op has to take.

Indeed, but the question of "why did you leave your last job" will no doubt come up