ESA Support group in for a ROUGH ride 2017 (Support group to be CRUSHED!)

Jim_Cooke

Savile wrote: »

There are too many sucking at the teat of the welfare system and the sooner people see that the better.
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True. I don't mind the unemployed getting REASONABLE benefits but the Royal Family and Hangers On are just taking the p*ss.

JakiT

Savile wrote: »

Did I refer to disabled? No. The only one with a chip on their shoulder is you. Are you one of those types who has to find a problem with everything?

The country is broke! Did you see the budget yesterday??

There are too many sucking at the teat of the welfare system and the sooner people see that the better.

It is not fair that somebody can sit at home all day and get the same income as a working person who is paying for them.

I will never slate the truly needy or disabled, But FAR FAR too many people are hiding behind the disability label that is why claims have risen so much over the last few years. It was a great place for Labor Party to hide the unemployed.

Safety net not a lifestyle.

1) This thread is about ESA and ergo about the disabled - ergo you were attacking the disabled, directly or indirectly

2) The country is not broke...there is plenty of money for the richest, did you not hear in the Budget about the cuts for the richest? Have you not heard this in every budget under the Tories? Do you not know how many squillions of pounds are lost in tax evasion and avoidance which dwarf benefits fraud? Do you know also know how many millions of pounds go unclaimed in benefits every year? Of course you don't because you won't read it in the Right Wing rags you lap up. Do you really not know yet that the cuts are ideological and the politics of austerity are a sham?

3) So you think being out of work is a good thing and being in work is a bad thing then if you think that 'sitting at home all day' is the cushy option? Surely if work is a good thing you should be happy doing it and feel sorry for people who haven't got what you've got

4) Oh pleassse. More soundbites fed to you about the 'truly' disabled...the nasty implication behind that nasty little word (again one that has been drip-fed to you by the media over the years) is the nasty little myth that there are loads of people who aren't genuinely disabled. And you would know that because...? Because of course you're a health expert who people would confide their disabilities to, aren't you? Most disabilities and long term illnesses are, in fact, invisible and fluctuating but equally disabling. I surely don't have to write a long list out for you do I?

5) Oh and that other cliche 'lifestyle choice' ... gibe me strength

Stop reading all the right wing propaganda and watching poverty !!!!!! channels like Channel 5. The facts are out there. Go and educate yourself....









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JakiT

Jim_Cooke wrote: »

True. I don't mind the unemployed getting REASONABLE benefits but the Royal Family and Hangers On are just taking the p*ss.

That's more like it, Jim! :rotfl:

Tommo1980

Back to back 'On Benefits' starting 9PM on My5!

Sat night just got eipc!

Tom

Lanzarote1938

I see ESA as a benefit for sick/ill people. I have always thought that disabled people are always disabled, not just for a little while or even a year or so. People who are likely to recover are simply ill.

The disabled word is so over used that it has lost its impetus and people are now confused. Not all those claiming ESA are disabled in the way I understand the term, they are sick/ill.

Disabled and too ill to work are not synonymous.

nannytone_2

so if ESA is for sick/ill people, what should disabled people who are not sick or ill claim?

Lanzarote1938

nannytone wrote: »

so if ESA is for sick/ill people, what should disabled people who are not sick or ill claim?

ESA is the non working benefit to claim if someone cannot work because of ill health. I think PIP is the one to claim as well for those who are disabled. What I am saying is that being able to claim ESA does not necessarily mean a person is disabled.

I fully accept that ESA is claimed as an income replacement by disabled people as there is no choice but to suggest that all people claiming ESA are disabled is ridiculous.

dippy3103

It's all relative. I used to work with a lady with Cerebal Palsy. I know her (then DLA) paid for the car that enabled her to work. She had both care and mobility needs. I don't doubt she would get into the support group if she claimed ESA. She was able to adapt.
Other people would not be able to adapt as she did: proving that whenit comes to disability, benefits and work that one size does not fit all.

JakiT

Lanzarote1938 wrote: »

I see ESA as a benefit for sick/ill people. I have always thought that disabled people are always disabled, not just for a little while or even a year or so. People who are likely to recover are simply ill.

The disabled word is so over used that it has lost its impetus and people are now confused. Not all those claiming ESA are disabled in the way I understand the term, they are sick/ill.

Disabled and too ill to work are not synonymous.

Lanzarote, there is a very good caption of a picture of a person standing (rather than a wheelchair) saying that 'sometimes disability looks like this'. Yes, you are right that disabilities are different and that being disabled and long term sick are not synonymous. And many people who claim disability benefits are not born with them but that does not make their illnesses any less real. Many people with 'disabilities' do not think of themselves as 'disabled'. That is why many people talk of disabilities and the long term sick or chronically ill. It is just easier to subsume it under the disability for easiness sake. And for the sake of claiming benefits, some of them are known as disability benefits. Many people who are obviously disabled in wheelchairs may not in fact be as incapacitated as those who are not. I have no idea why the government got rid of Incapacity Benefit because that was what it was for. People who are incapacitated. Disability benefits also include many people with fluctuating conditions who would be unable to work because it would worsen their conditions. But there are many people, as you say, who are ill in the short term...they recover and go back to work. That has always been the case and always will. That is probably by far the majority of people who claim ESA.

JakiT

nannytone wrote: »

so if ESA is for sick/ill people, what should disabled people who are not sick or ill claim?

If disabled people are not sick they work (if they can get a job). If not, they would be on JSA. PIP is the benefit which is paid towards the extra costs of disabilities and long term sickness, whether in work or not. The fact remains that more disabled people than non-disabled people are out of work because they are disabled or long term sick! It's not rocket science!