UK government suffers Brexit court blow

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

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This decision creates new opportunities to sabotage the Brexit....or at least shape it into something less damaging for the future of the country! Hopefully it will water down the effect of the views of the headbangers and give skilled parliamentarians like Kenneth Clarke opporunities to shape the outcome......now we need Hillary to hold out against the Trump surge and it will have been a pretty good week after the depression of that June 23rd vote!

It would be a dangerous game for you to play to pursue sabotaging the brexit vote. The liberal left would be blamed and the far right would sweep in. If you thought it was bad under the Conservatives it'll be worse under whomever promises to fulfil the obligation of the EU referendum result.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It would be a dangerous game for you to play to pursue sabotaging the brexit vote. The liberal left would be blamed and the far right would sweep in. If you thought it was bad under the Conservatives it'll be worse under whomever promises to fulfil the obligation of the EU referendum result.

True true......no-one should think of sabotaging the democratically reached view of the British people......we just need to change the outcome to something more intellectually palatable;)..... remember 48% voted against and within that 52% that voted out....there will have been moderate brexiteers who would not be extremists.....so I doubt your fears of the far right gaining power would come to pass.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

True true......no-one should think of sabotaging the democratically reached view of the British people......we just need to change the outcome to something more intellectually palatable;)..... remember 48% voted against and within that 52% that voted out....there will have been moderate brexiteers who would not be extremists.....so I doubt your fears of the far right gaining power would come to pass.

I would class myself as one of those moderates.

Which is why I fear the backlash of any attempt to ignore the will of the 52%.

On both sides there will be soft leavers and soft remainers.

Completely ignoring the result and remaining in the EU, warts and all is completely and utterly unacceptable, even for myself as a moderate who would welcome EEA/EFTA membership.

I voted to leave the EU, and leave we should.

How leave looks is up for debate, I wholly welcome that. But reverse it? No way, whoever thinks that should move to a country where the vote doesn't matter or simply doesn't take place - like North Korea.

Moto2

I really don't believe that the Supreme Court will rule against a serving PM

However, I hope they do and parliament gets full oversight and voting rights on all aspects of the deal(s)
The Bexiteers fear losing momentum and possibly their 'land of milk and honey' but nevertheless the fine detail needs to be scrutinised and these things are not quick.

jimjames

nkomp18 wrote: »

I don't understand why you don't agree that this isn't a good thing. You wanted sovereignty, so why not let the sovereign parliament have a discourse and a consensus on this?

Reading some of the ludicrous comments on the DM, it's hard to imagine what is going through the heads of some of these people but I guess there is a lot of space there.
The court has upheld the sovereignty of our Parliament yet some people are talking of riots and civil disobedience. Even UKIP are talking of sacking judges which I find incredible when all the decision has done is support our democratic process.

jimjames

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I would class myself as one of those moderates.

Which is why I fear the backlash of any attempt to ignore the will of the 52%.

On both sides there will be soft leavers and soft remainers.

Completely ignoring the result and remaining in the EU, warts and all is completely and utterly unacceptable, even for myself as a moderate who would welcome EEA/EFTA membership.

I voted to leave the EU, and leave we should.

How leave looks is up for debate, I wholly welcome that. But reverse it? No way, whoever thinks that should move to a country where the vote doesn't matter or simply doesn't take place - like North Korea.

Problem is some of the 51.8% seem to think that it's their way or no way. Brexit means Brexit is the most ridiculous statement. Leaving EU can also mean being in EEA/EFTA as you have outlined. Some will not accept that.

Tromking

We're a tad closer to the now inevitable constitutional crisis and possible civil unrest after this judgement today. If the Remainiacs and their 'representatives' in Parliament have genuine fears about the prospects for a post EU UK, then they should try and imagine a UK where the democratic will of the people is trying to be thwarted or altered under the guise of so called Parliamentary scrutiny.
I like millions of others voted in our typically quiet British way for a fundamental change of direction for our country. Do not f*** with me.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

We're a tad closer to the now inevitable constitutional crisis and possible civil unrest after this judgement today. If the Remainiacs and their 'representatives' in Parliament have genuine fears about the prospects for a post EU UK, then they should try and imagine a UK where the democratic will of the people is trying to be thwarted or altered under the guise of so called Parliamentary scrutiny.
I like millions of others voted in our typically quiet British way for a fundamental change of direction for our country. Do not f*** with me.

You sound rather bitter.

Moto2

Tromking wrote: »

We're a tad closer to the now inevitable constitutional crisis and possible civil unrest after this judgement today. If the Remainiacs and their 'representatives' in Parliament have genuine fears about the prospects for a post EU UK, then they should try and imagine a UK where the democratic will of the people is trying to be thwarted or altered under the guise of so called Parliamentary scrutiny.
I like millions of others voted in our typically quiet British way for a fundamental change of direction for our country. Do not f*** with me.

Did the referendum vote mean Brexit at any price and by any means?

Because that is what May wants.
Brexit should happen but not be left to the whims and ideas of a couple of people.

TrickyTree83

Moto2 wrote: »

Did the referendum vote mean Brexit at any price and by any means?

Because that is what May wants.
Brexit should happen but not be left to the whims and ideas of a couple of people.

Nor should it be reversed.

Social media is awash with remain voters cooing that MP's will vote the entire idea of leaving the EU down.

Awful people.