UK government suffers Brexit court blow

nkomp18

Good news for remainers and bregretters,

Turns out parliament is sovereign after all. The ruling is based on the fact that, exiting from the EU, changes existing treaties that will directly affect the human rights of residents. Therefore there must be a parliamentary vote before such decisions are made.

It is expected that brexit will lose the majority vote in parliament.
Can we now forget about this nightmare and go on with our lives?

Masomnia

nkomp18 wrote: »

Good news for remainers and bregretters,

Turns out parliament is sovereign after all. The ruling is based on the fact that, exiting from the EU, changes existing treaties that will directly affect the human rights of residents. Therefore there must be a parliamentary vote before such decisions are made.

It is expected that brexit will lose the majority vote in parliament.
Can we now forget about this nightmare and go on with our lives?

Since Labour have said they won't block Brexit do you really think it won't get through Parliament? If it even goes that far.

Conrad

nkomp18 wrote: »

It is expected that brexit will lose the majority vote in parliament.
Can we now forget about this nightmare and go on with our lives?

Hillary Ben says today we are leaving the EU and A 50 is going to be triggers, but Parliament wants a say, but he also reminded us that every day in Parliament and the Lords everyone is having a say and Select Committees are involved.


The Tories will be 95% for Brexit now, especially under a 3 line whip. Labour MP's in many cases had overwhelming votes to leave from their constituents. If they want a job I doubt they will defy their voters.


So that's leave a few naïve sanctimonious liberals and their hangers-on

MacMickster

If anyone thinks that this will stop Brexit then they are completely deluded. As Sunderland, which I imagine has a large labour majority in its parliamentary seat(s), was the first to vote emphatically to leave, do you imagine that their MP would vote against triggering article 50 without knowing that they would be gifting that constituency seat to UKIP at the next election?

The remoaners have merely clutched at a straw which they will soon find has no roots.

TrickyTree83

nkomp18 wrote: »

Good news for remainers and bregretters,

Turns out parliament is sovereign after all. The ruling is based on the fact that, exiting from the EU, changes existing treaties that will directly affect the human rights of residents. Therefore there must be a parliamentary vote before such decisions are made.

It is expected that brexit will lose the majority vote in parliament.
Can we now forget about this nightmare and go on with our lives?

Would you support parliament voting against the referendum result?

nkomp18

If that were the case, government would have gotten on with it. Instead they appealed and started a long appealing process to prevent the vote. Farage himself said Parliament would most likely vote against brexit. That's why I'm sure winning the appeal is their only chance to implement brexit.

mayonnaise

MacMickster wrote: »

If anyone thinks that this will stop Brexit then they are completely deluded.

I don't think anyone is thinking this will stop brexit. Apart from the Daily Mail and Express lynch mob that is.

Masomnia

MacMickster wrote: »

If anyone thinks that this will stop Brexit then they are completely deluded. As Sunderland, which I imagine has a large labour majority in its parliamentary seat(s), was the first to vote emphatically to leave, do you imagine that their MP would vote against triggering article 50 without knowing that they would be gifting that constituency seat to UKIP at the next election?

The remoaners have merely clutched at a straw which they will soon find has no roots.

If Sunderland knew that the UK gov would do some kind of deal and Nissan would end up increasing production there it would have been even more strongly leave imho.

TrickyTree83

nkomp18 wrote: »

If that were the case, government would have gotten on with it. Instead they appealed and started a long appealing process to prevent the vote. Farage himself said Parliament would most likely vote against brexit. That's why I'm sure winning the appeal is their only chance to implement brexit.

Do you support it?

Do you believe it is the correct thing for the parliamentary democracy to do? To ignore the result of a referendum of the people with a 72%+ turnout?

nkomp18

Yes absolutely and for too many valid reasons. The percentage voting for brexit is small compared to the population of the UK (under 27%), not to mention that that referendum itself is just a recommendation, not to mention that leaving the EU is vague and gives no clear instructions nor mandate to exit the single market and affect the rights of residents. Not to mention the possible breakdown of the UK altogether due to fundamental disagreements. The list goes on and on

TrickyTree83

nkomp18 wrote: »

Yes absolutely and for too many valid reasons. The percentage voting for brexit is small compared to the population of the UK (under 27%), not to mention that that referendum itself is just a recommendation, not to mention that leaving the EU is vague and gives no clear instructions nor mandate to exit the single market and affect the rights of residents. Not to mention the possible breakdown of the UK altogether due to fundamental disagreements. The list goes on and on

You openly disavow the democratic vote?

The democratic vote that had 3 outcomes:

1. Remain
2. Leave
3. Abstain

Where more chose to Leave and abstention doesn't count towards anything. Therefore there was a majority for Leave from the eligible vote.

The fact that leaving the EU is vague is no reason to ignore the clear result of the referendum, which is we should leave the EU. How that looks is up for debate, but there can be no confusion that the public that cared enough to vote, that are legally able to vote, decided to Leave the EU.

Parliament should uphold the referendum result, and the extent of parliamentary involvement should be to shape how that will look. That by March 2019 the UK should no longer be a member of the EU.

If they do not, then there will be far greater problems on the hands of those who voted to Remain in that you should expect a backlash in 2020. It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that Farage could end up as PM, or Deputy PM in a coalition because of such a course of action. 17m votes would be enough to secure such a result.