UK government suffers Brexit court blow

prosaver

nkomp18 wrote: »

Good news for remainers and bregretters,

Turns out parliament is sovereign after all. The ruling is based on the fact that, exiting from the EU, changes existing treaties that will directly affect the human rights of residents. Therefore there must be a parliamentary vote before such decisions are made.

It is expected that brexit will lose the majority vote in parliament.
Can we now forget about this nightmare and go on with our lives?

What about my human right to vote.
referendum
ˌrɛfəˈrɛndəm/Submit
noun
a general vote by the electorate on a single political question which has been referred to them for a direct decision.

nkomp18

In Greece only last year there was a similar referendum, and people voted Grexit, which also meant economic catastrophe. Government causally ignored the results, and implanted severe cuts on all pensions, salaries, benefits and of course huge increase of taxes.

That's the birthplace of democracy. Referenda are never binding. The government's job is to make the right decisions for the benefit of everyone. If the referendum result could lead to economic disaster or a long era of depression it can and must be ignored. They were voted to do this job, but let the angry masses make important uninformed decisions. That is ochlocracy and it's very dangerous.

TrickyTree83

nkomp18 wrote: »

In Greece only last year there was a similar referendum, and people voted Grexit, which also meant economic catastrophe. Government causally ignored the results, and implanted severe cuts on all pensions, salaries, benefits and of course huge increase of taxes.

That's the birthplace of democracy. Referenda are never binding. The government's job is to make the right decisions for the benefit of everyone. If the referendum result could lead to economic disaster or a long era of depression it can and must be ignored. They were voted to do this job, but let the angry masses make important uninformed decisions. That is ochlocracy and it's very dangerous.

Do you not see it also as dangerous to see far-right political groups gain power because these people were ignored by the minority and the establishment?

How well do you think ignoring these people is going to pan out?

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Do you not see it also as dangerous to see far-right political groups gain power because these people were ignored by the minority and the establishment?

Do you not see it as dangerous for the PM to make binding constitutional decisions without Parliamentary approval?

nkomp18

I don't understand why you don't agree that this isn't a good thing. You wanted sovereignty, so why not let the sovereign parliament have a discourse and a consensus on this?

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you not see it as dangerous for the PM to make binding constitutional decisions without Parliamentary approval?

I'm more than happy for parliament to have a say on what leaving the EU looks like.

Completely reversing the decision would be unpalatable.

Edit: in fact parliament being involved makes it more likely I'll have my own preferred result. Some form of EEA/EFTA membership. But out of the EU political institutions.

Parliament should not use this as an opportunity to reverse what they were told by the general public on June 23rd 2016.

steampowered

At the moment parliament aren't being told anything and there seems to be no plan for dealing what will be an extremely significant change to the way the UK is governed no matter which side of the fence you sit on.

I'm sure parliament will ultimately support leaving, but hopefully parliament will at least have the leverage now to scrutinise the government on Brexit.

Graham_Devon

nkomp18 wrote: »

It is expected that brexit will lose the majority vote in parliament.
Can we now forget about this nightmare and go on with our lives?

It will hardly be the end of it. It will be another major issue.

Basically, the MPs WE elect decide to go against the wishes of the majority.

All this does is make the whole process more difficult, more expensive and much more divisional causing loads more arguments.

Doesn't actually achieve anything. If those who wish to stay do get their way through this, that's fine, thats politics - but it WILL lead to more extreme political parties gaining more traction - which is no good for any of us.

I agree with what someone said on the news earlier, the referendum should never have gone ahead with all of these unanswered questions. To hear the answers now only causes expense and upset.

Moby

:beer:
This decision creates new opportunities to sabotage the Brexit....or at least shape it into something less damaging for the future of the country! Hopefully it will water down the effect of the views of the headbangers and give skilled parliamentarians like Kenneth Clarke opporunities to shape the outcome......now we need Hillary to hold out against the Trump surge and it will have been a pretty good week after the depression of that June 23rd vote!

masterwilde

if parliament do not support the vote to leave, they may well be in physical danger to their lives.