Ticket from UKPC

pappa_golf

1:did you collect a ticket at the entrance to the car park?
2:did the signage state that it should be displayed ,
3:was it displayed?

helphelphelphelp

No signs advising to display ticket either on entrance to car park or on the entrance ticket itself. Ticket was not displayed (was in my bag).

pappa_golf

therefore your offence was (according to UKPC) that you had a sticker on your car that stated you were a staff member


is it also an offence to have a UKIP sticker on your car as well , or a Man united sticker ,,or ,,,,,,,,,,,,,


is the exit barrier controlled?

helphelphelphelp

Yes. Exit is barrier controlled. Either using that entrance ticket with the parking fee added to it, or using a staff swipe. This is my argument. At the time of parking I had done nothing wrong. I was a visitor not a staff member. I completely get staff not parking all day in visitors spaces and this is not something I have ever done. I only used a visitor space at the time of being a visitor.

The sign says visitors only. Not no staff. Semantics maybe?

pappa_golf

as you obtained a visitors parking recept from the entry barrier , and had this in your possession , with the intent of paying on your way out , then UKPC have jumped the gun by presuming you were a member of staff.


this will be an easy arguament , and they cannot pre guess that you were going to exit using your staff permit ,


one last question , that might be asked by POPLa or even a judge , when you got the ticket and were fuming , upon leaving the car park , did you pay the visitors fee , or swipe your staff permit?

helphelphelphelp

I swiped and left. However U.K. PC at the time of issuing the ticket did not know this. I had every intention of paying (indeed I took a ticket to pay and there is no record of me entering the car park on my staff permit). But tomissue me a ticket for parking is (and using your analogies) like being arrested for murder when all I have done is bought a carving knife. At the time no one knew of my intentions and therefore I cannot be guilty of anything. How I can use that in a popla defence appeal though I'm not sure.

pappa_golf

the offence has been proved , you used your staff permit to obtain free parking on a car park that was for paying visitors


IKPC have probably programmed all 4 car parks for staff or visitors as they may get changed around according to maintenance or excess traffic by staff or visitors.


had you have paid the correct tarrif upon leaving ,UKPC would have been in the wrong for pre judging a sticker on a car .


you broke the rules , then compounded it by swiping out with your pass.


this site is to help people who are wrong done (on your case pre judging a sticker) , butno one condones cheating the car park owner out of monies they should have received for the number of hrs parked.


good luck with popla and court , in this case I think you are guilty of obtaining services with no intent to pay

helphelphelphelp

PG - Just ignore this question

I have received a response from my appeal but no NTK. Would I still get this or is the appeal denial and NTD sufficient

Thanks

DoaM

If you appeal a NTD then it is highly unlikely that a NTK will be sent.

Did you appeal the NTD as keeper using the blue wording from the NEWBIES thread? Or did you appeal using "I did this" type of wording?

If the former, and no NTK is issued, then your POPLA appeal could major on the fact that there is no keeper liability as the PPC have not followed The Law to transfer liability to the keeper. Therefore UKPC must pursue the driver ... and good luck with that.

If the latter then you've outed yourself as the driver and UKPC have no need to issue a NTK.