Possible eBay fraudster

BadBehaviour

forgotmyname wrote: »

Or...

Buys faulty phone off you, fixes it cheaply and sells it on.

New buyer happy until it fails and they claim their money back and return the phone, the lightbulb clicks and they claim the item you sold is faulty and claims a refund from you?

Your buyer has just the repair cost to lose, nothing else really.

Well he bought it listed as spares or repairs and I clearly stated it had a faulty touchscreen and described the issue with it in detail. Everything else was perfectly working and it was in practically mint condition.
The issue is he has listed it as a brand new phone and it is not and no one would bid the same amount for a brand new phone and a used one that's been unofficially "repaired".
Anyway I don't understand why I have been treated like I am the bad guy and this scummy fraudster is the victim somehow to defend. Like I am trying to harass him or something. I didn't sell him a faulty phone as working because I have a conscience and don't commit fraud.

Actually this is my business because if his buyer realises the phone is not new, this fraudster could try and open a case or whatever against me but I swear that if he tries to mess with me, I'll sue him with all the proof I have that he is a fraudster.

Ah and you know what happened this morning anyway? He sent a message offering me a buy it now for the iPhone he sold yesterday at the auction. Probably thinking I would offer more and he also clearly stated in his message iPhone has no warranty. But wait, wasn't it new so how come it has no warranty? Because it's my old phone he was trying to sell.
I didn't reply but I knew even without the evidence that that was my phone he was trying to pass as new.
His account only has 29 feedbacks and it's a relatively recent account so he has probably done this before and keeps changing accounts so that's why he has no problems offering me a phone he sold to someone else. Even if the buyer complains, he won't care about negative feedbacks.

Flyonthewall

BadBehaviour wrote: »

The issue is he has listed it as a brand new phone and it is not.
Anyway I don't understand why I have been treated like I am the bad guy and this scummy fraudster is the victim somehow to defend.

Until a confirmed serial number you were just making assumptions and either way there's nothing much you can do. People aren't saying you're the bad guy or don't report crimes, they're just saying any issues will between the guy you sold to and his buyer.

While clearly not an honest seller here I have seen people list items as new when they're used because "it's only been used for two months" and/or "it's in as new condition". Then there are those who list as new because it's new to them. Some people are just complete idiots and can't understand the simple difference between new and used.

No doubt some people add things to their listing because they think it'll sound better. "Smoke free home" because they don't smoke personally.

If it's a one off it could be more that he thinks as new condition (and possibly repaired) means it should be listed as new and he then just lied about the contract/age because he thinks it sounds better rather than someone who has intentionally set out to commit fraud.

Sounds like he's best avoided either way, but sometimes - and it may or may not be the case here - some people are just idiots who unintentionally do something bad.

In no way defending him, just pointing out that things aren't always what you think and you've no way of knowing what that guys thoughts and intentions are.

As he's obviously not someone you'd like to deal with again though, I'd suggest placing him on your blocked buyers list.

Flyonthewall

BadBehaviour wrote: »

His account only has 29 feedbacks and it's a relatively recent account so he has probably done this before and keeps changing accounts so that's why he has no problems offering me a phone he sold to someone else. Even if the buyer complains, he won't care about negative feedbacks.

It does look that way, but maybe the buyer is refusing to pay/trying to delay payment. Probably not, given the rest, but you never know.

With only 29 feedback he should care about a negative. It will only take a couple or so more bad transactions and he won't be able to sell anymore.

BadBehaviour

I remembered that when he bought the phone he sent a message to confirm his address. Knowing what I know now this sounds dodgy. Maybe he's got more than one address and accounts.

With this account he seems to just buy. He never leaves feedbacks to anyone.

I was making assumptions based on strong evidence.
A phone he says it's 2 months old and new that's not been used and is an upgrade but unlocked even if he doesn't use it; he also mentioned the phone holds a charge very well when he added additional info to the listing. Why would a phone that's not been used and is 2 months old have problems holding a charge anyway? No need to specify that if it was truly a new phone.

Stevie_Palimo

I really do not understand why you even worried about you sold an item and someone else bought it and you have no clue if they repaired it or not so making any assumptions here is just a stab in the dark.

As said numerous times in the thread forget about and move on, More important things in life to worry about than this.

Flyonthewall

BadBehaviour wrote: »

I remembered that when he bought the phone he sent a message to confirm his address. Knowing what I know now this sounds dodgy. Maybe he's got more than one address and accounts.

So? Some people do use different addresses even with one account. Work and home for example.

With this account he seems to just buy. He never leaves feedbacks to anyone.

If he's selling a phone he's clearly not using it to just buy.

Some people don't ever leave feedback for others.

I was making assumptions based on strong evidence.
A phone he says it's 2 months old and new that's not been used and is an upgrade but unlocked even if he doesn't use it; he also mentioned the phone holds a charge very well when he added additional info to the listing. Why would a phone that's not been used and is 2 months old have problems holding a charge anyway? No need to specify that if it was truly a new phone.

No, you made an assumption based on him happening to have a phone of the same colour and model, which isn't odd by itself. It wasn't until you had the serial number that you had evidence of it being the same phone.

Even with that you don't know what, if anything, he's done to the phone since having it and each assumption you've made has other possibilities. Putting them altogether it does look dodgy, but you can't say for certain it is.

You keep adding extra information! You didn't mention anything about the charge before. Same as you didn't mention previously the fault was caused by you. Not sure what you expect people to say when you keep suddenly adding in extra details that make a difference.

If he knows the phone holds charge then it's been used so it should be clear to anyone buying the phone is not new, despite what the listing states.

Flyonthewall

BadBehaviour wrote: »

He says he is upgrading to the new iPhone
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and he doesn't have a history of selling phones on his account.

BadBehaviour wrote: »

Everything else was perfectly working and it was in practically mint condition.
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He sent a message offering me a buy it now for the iPhone he sold yesterday at the auction.
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His account only has 29 feedbacks and it's a relatively recent account.

BadBehaviour wrote: »

With this account he seems to just buy. He never leaves feedbacks to anyone.
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A phone he says it's 2 months old and new that's not been used and is an upgrade but unlocked even if he doesn't use it; he also mentioned the phone holds a charge very well when he added additional info to the listing.

Looked up the listing as I was curious seeing as you keep adding info.

I found a buyer with 29 feedback, doesn't normally sell phones (although actually does have another for sale atm), leaves no feedback, has added additional details to the listing and mentions condition, unlocked and charge, the listing was an auction and it ended yesterday.

Two other listings ended yesterday with sellers with 29 feedback but none with any details mentioned here.

The phone is listed as used.

The listing reads:
"[FONT=&quot]Apple iPhone 6 Plus 16GB UNLOCKED[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Under 2 months old - not had much use. Just sat in the box. - so relatively brand new [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]-Phone is in immaculate pristine condition - as [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]you can see from the pictures. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]-Comes with box, charger, headphones (still unused in box). [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Payment is required quickly for a swift dispatch. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Thank you for looking and please message me if you have any inquires. Happy bidding.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]On 19-Oct-16 at 22:27:24 BST, seller added the following information:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Just to emphasis there's not a scratch or mark anywhere on the phone. You are receiving a Completely brand new condition iPhone. Only reason for selling is I'm due an upgrade so moving onto the iPhone 7.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The phone holds charge extremely well, ive used it for 2 days constantly without charging with heavy usage. Without doubt, the best battery life I've ever come across."

So it states they used it. It also states "relatively brand new" and "Completely brand new condition", as in it's in as-new condition not actually brand new, although it is rather misleading. However the phone is listed as used and mentions use so should be pretty obvious they just mean it's in mint condition and not actually new.

The auction may not be entirely honest as you used the phone much longer, but it is not listed as new as you stated.

If it's not that listing then it's very weird that there's a listing that is almost exactly the same and no other that comes close to matching for all ended listings!
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Bahtiyor

Seriously just get over it. Why does it even concern you or how do you this is your phone to begin with? It's like throwing stones on a house you just sold. Honestly forget it and move on

BadBehaviour

I moved on don't worry. Just don't get why you can't admit I am right that this guy is not honest. He even offered me a phone he just sold to someone else lol and told me this 2 months old phone has no warranty, which it would have if it was really only 2 months old!
I still read "maybe he is dodgy". What else does someone have to do to prove he is not an honest seller?

I repeat it wasn't just the same colour and model. He is not someone who sells phones all the time, so to have a phone to sell that's the same colour and model, shortly after buying mine, sorry but wouldn't any normally intelligent person wonder like I did? Also unlocked when normally phones bought on contract are locked, unless he is with 3, but seeing as the phone I sold him was unlocked, I can't think this guy buys an iPhone 6 Plus off me to repair (and keep then if the one for sale wasn't mine?) and sells a working one he hasn't been using much and is practically new as he says to someone else. He is not a business seller and not even someone who sells often.

Doesn't make any sense and you trying to find convoluted explanations just to avoid telling me my feelings were right is funny.

For me the thread can be locked but the stubbornness of you people not wanting to tell me I was right is something else. You should be asking me what's his ID so you can put him on your block list! Notice I haven't divulged this info even if he is a fraudster.

That listing is dodgy in itself and each one of you if you bought a phone listed as 2 months old, basically brand new and found out the phone has had a dodgy repair and it's almost 2 years old wouldn't be thinking about moving on.

I would have warned his buyer if I could, as that would have been the right thing to do!

Flyonthewall

BadBehaviour wrote: »

I still read "maybe he is dodgy". What else does someone have to do to prove he is not an honest seller?

Nobody is denying he's not honest. Doesn't mean you can do anything about it.

I repeat it wasn't just the same colour and model. He is not someone who sells phones all the time, so to have a phone to sell that's the same colour and model, shortly after buying mine, sorry but wouldn't any normally intelligent person wonder like I did?

Nobody else would have looked up their buyers activity to find it in the first place.

Also unlocked when normally phones bought on contract are locked, unless he is with 3, but seeing as the phone I sold him was unlocked, I can't think this guy buys an iPhone 6 Plus off me to repair (and keep then if the one for sale wasn't mine?) and sells a working one he hasn't been using much and is practically new as he says to someone else. He is not a business seller and not even someone who sells often.

Carphonewarehouse phones usually come unlocked, among others. Plenty of sites you can buy contracts off other than direct from the network.

Plus, upgrading a contract to the next phone doesn't mean that phone was from the original contract. He could have had an iphone 5, for example, on contract, bought the 6 and used the same SIM and then decided to upgrade to the 7. So the iphone 6 could have been bought unlocked from anywhere in that situation.

You should be asking me what's his ID so you can put him on your block list! Notice I haven't divulged this info even if he is a fraudster.

That listing is dodgy in itself and each one of you if you bought a phone listed as 2 months old, basically brand new and found out the phone has had a dodgy repair and it's almost 2 years old wouldn't be thinking about moving on.

I would have warned his buyer if I could, as that would have been the right thing to do!

You don't know if the repair is dodgy or not.

If I saw the listing - which I notice you've not replied to that post - without having seen this thread and I was looking to buy an iphone I'd be avoiding his listing anyway. 2 months old, only used 2 days and already looking to upgrade - makes no sense. At least he listed it as used though!