Possible eBay fraudster

BadBehaviour

Flyonthewall wrote: »

Some phones come unlocked when new. Depends where you buy from.

Maybe he got a new phone but decided to try and fix up a faulty one and sell the new on for more, saving him a bit on money while still allowing him to have the phone he wants.

Perhaps he's selling that new phone for a family member of friend so he is using the one you bought and just happens to be selling the other.

Phones come in set colours so it's not exactly odd that he could have two the same colour.

Even if it is the same, as already said, ebay won't do anything.

If it is still faulty or hasn't been fixed properly the new buyer will realise anyway and be sending it back for a refund and leaving him negative feedback.

Even if it is fixed the buyer might question whether it's new. It may look new at a glance but a closer look may reveal use.

If it does look new and works like new and it is the same phone then it's sad the buyer overpaid and the seller was dishonest, but there's really nothing you can do about it.

He says he is upgrading to the new iPhone so not a case of selling the new one and keeping the repaired phone. Honestly anyone would think he is selling the phone he has bought when it is the same colour, model etc and he doesn't have a history of selling phones on his account.

theonlywayisup

BadBehaviour wrote: »

Nah, he's getting just over what I sold it to him for lol, so it's not that that bothers me. Just the thought he is most likely conning someone who's completely unaware.

The new buyer has 180 days on Paypal to open a case for SNAD. They've got plenty of protection.

It may not even be your phone. But if it is, it still isn't your business and thankfully eBay won't divulge the new buyer.

BadBehaviour

Well I will mind my business sure, also because there is not much I can do it seems, but if you were that buyer, I am pretty sure you wouldn't be saying I should mind my business and not tell you if I could. Who says the buyer would realize? So if I am aware of a crime that doesn't involve me personally I should not report it because it's not my business? Fraud is a crime. They should close all those websites listing known scammers because it's none of their business if these people scam other people. I don't understand this logic.

You can try and say it's not my phone but really there are too many things that don't add up to have a reasonable doubt that it's not.

Flyonthewall

BadBehaviour wrote: »

He says he is upgrading to the new iPhone so not a case of selling the new one and keeping the repaired phone. Honestly anyone would think he is selling the phone he has bought when it is the same colour, model etc and he doesn't have a history of selling phones on his account.

If he's selling it for someone else that maybe what they're doing. Or maybe he's saying it as he thinks people will believe it more than him saying he already has the phone because that seems a bit odd.

There are many, many phones that are the exact same model and colour, that alone means nothing at all.

It may be that you're right and it is your old phone, but that doesn't mean he's got away with anything. It may not sell. If it does it may be returned and he'd have to refund. He could even sell to a scammer who sends back a phone in worse condition to get a refund.

If he's claiming it's new and unlocked and only selling it for slightly more than what you did as faulty then people may suspect something is wrong with it anyway and avoid it.

It's nice you want to save someone buying a possibly faulty phone, but all you could do is report it to ebay with proof. Sadly they're not likely to do anything though even with proof. Without proof it wouldn't be fair of them to remove the listing as it could be a genuine listing, they'd have no way of knowing.

theonlywayisup

BadBehaviour wrote: »

Well I will mind my business sure, also because there is not much I can do it seems, but if you were that buyer, I am pretty sure you wouldn't be saying I should mind my business and not tell you if I could. Who says the buyer would realize? So if I am aware of a crime that doesn't involve me personally I should not report it because it's not my business? Fraud is a crime. They should close all those websites listing known scammers because it's none of their business if these people scam other people. I don't understand this logic.

You can try and say it's not my phone but really there are too many things that don't add up to have a reasonable doubt that it's not.

Thankfully the law doesn't rely on random people and their adding up.

You don't know it's your phone. Even it if was, you don't know if it's been replaced by Apple or repaired.

There is NO crime here.

BadBehaviour

Flyonthewall wrote: »

Some phones come unlocked when new. Depends where you buy from.

Maybe he got a new phone but decided to try and fix up a faulty one and sell the new on for more, saving him a bit on money while still allowing him to have the phone he wants.

Perhaps he's selling that new phone for a family member of friend so he is using the one you bought and just happens to be selling the other.

Phones come in set colours so it's not exactly odd that he could have two the same colour.

Even if it is the same, as already said, ebay won't do anything.

If it is still faulty or hasn't been fixed properly the new buyer will realise anyway and be sending it back for a refund and leaving him negative feedback.

Even if it is fixed the buyer might question whether it's new. It may look new at a glance but a closer look may reveal use.

If it does look new and works like new and it is the same phone then it's sad the buyer overpaid and the seller was dishonest, but there's really nothing you can do about it.

theonlywayisup wrote: »

Thankfully the law doesn't rely on random people and their adding up.

You don't know it's your phone. Even it if was, you don't know if it's been replaced by Apple or repaired.

There is NO crime here.

Well I just got the serial number and guess what? It's the same as the one I sold to him. I had taken a pic of that screen with serial number and it was in my listing so I could check.

And no, Apple wouldn't have repaired it. They wouldn't have resoldered the chip and no, they would have given him a refurb phone at an additional cost as my phone was outside the warranty period. I don't see the point in buying a faulty phone and spending the same amount he paid for it to get a refurb from Apple. He would have bought a new phone from the start. Auction is ending so good luck to the buyer and their brand new iPhone that's almost 2 years old and "repaired".

POPPYOSCAR

Careful, if you make waves your buyer might make a claim against you
and want to return it.

theonlywayisup

BadBehaviour wrote: »

And no, Apple wouldn't have repaired it. They wouldn't have resoldered the chip and no, they would have given him a refurb phone at an additional cost as my phone was outside the warranty period. I don't see the point in buying a faulty phone and spending the same amount he paid for it to get a refurb from Apple. He would have bought a new phone from the start. Auction is ending so good luck to the buyer and their brand new iPhone that's almost 2 years old and "repaired".

Just picking up on a part of that, having taken a 4 year old phone back with a 'kernel issue' (their words not mine) Apple, gave me the option of a brand new phone (same model) for no cost or an upgrade to the latest version for £25. I took the upgrade.

But, despite that, it's rather convenient you've heard back from the seller with the serial number at this moment in time - but regardless. It isn't your business. You do not KNOW what has or hasn't happened to the phone.

Move on. You've sold it.

BadBehaviour

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Careful, if you make waves your buyer might make a claim against you
and want to return it.

I've already decided I won't do anything since there's not much I can do I've been told. Just happy I proved he is a fraudster.

BadBehaviour

theonlywayisup wrote: »

Just picking up on a part of that, having taken a 4 year old phone back with a 'kernel issue' (their words not mine) Apple, gave me the option of a brand new phone (same model) for no cost or an upgrade to the latest version for £25. I took the upgrade.

But, despite that, it's rather convenient you've heard back from the seller with the serial number at this moment in time - but regardless. It isn't your business. You do not KNOW what has or hasn't happened to the phone.

Move on. You've sold it.

Well I had messaged him just before posting on here and auction is ending so nothing strange with reply arriving now. He asked why I needed it at the beginning. Of course because he had something to hide.
Your issue wasn't caused by a drop like in my case. Apple wouldn't have given me a brand new phone for a fault I caused. That's why I sold it and didn't bother even going to Apple. I didn't want another iPhone anyway.