Smoking in hire car - fine

Herzlos

Guest101 wrote: »

When you enter a premises, you can wear 'many hats'.


(lets just exclude vehicles for the moment)


If you enter a pub, retails outlet, or anywhere where you are afforded a right of access - which is what you have in such areas, you are a member of the public. These areas are 'private', but you reasonably expect to access them freely during their opening hours. (you can include GPs, Hospitals, police stations, etc.)


There are also some areas where you pay to access, e.g. nightclubs, cinemas, etc. Where you pay for access, but again it's freely accepted that any member of the public can access, it's not restricted to individuals.


- A hire car is obviously restricted to the person hiring it, and anyone he individually invites to join. You couldn't just climb into a car. It's not a 'public' space, it's not open to the general public.


A comparison could be a rented property (I know its excluded for smoking anyway - I mean for the purposes of public access) it's not yours, but you are paying for it and decide who can and cant come in. You have exclusive use of the property.


That was my point. (im not saying im right, im saying that is the logic for my argument)

It's more like the nightclub, or a hotel or a taxi - it's freely available to anyone who pays for access of it. Just because you're currently in sole possession of it doesn't mean it's not sort-of a public place.

I can't remember the legislation that banned smoking in hotel rooms, so I'm not sure if it'd apply to hire cars.

peachyprice

Herzlos wrote: »

I can't remember the legislation that banned smoking in hotel rooms, so I'm not sure if it'd apply to hire cars.

Actually, i think it would be very similar to a hotel room

You pay for exclusive hire of the room/car, you can share it with someone else but the general public can't use it while you're hiring it. Another member of the public will hire the room/car directly before and after you. It is someone's place of work to clean the room/car when you have finished with it.

If you can't smoke in a hotel room why would you be able to smoke in a hire car?

Guest101

Herzlos wrote: »

It's more like the nightclub, or a hotel or a taxi - it's freely available to anyone who pays for access of it. Just because you're currently in sole possession of it doesn't mean it's not sort-of a public place.

I can't remember the legislation that banned smoking in hotel rooms, so I'm not sure if it'd apply to hire cars.

Smoking isn't banned in all hotel rooms.


The nightclub isn't in your exclusive possession, the hire car is.


(the taxi is a place of work anyway)


I'm sorry but I really must disagree, you pay for exclusive use of the vehicle, making it totally private. (just like the rented property).


Similarly the rented property, eventually someone else is going to use it

Guest101

http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk/faq/exemptions/


Common exemptions include bedrooms in some hotels, care homes, prisons and hospices. Usually these restrictions are lifted only in specified areas and not the building as a whole. Policies within the organisation / premises themselves may also impose restrictions for health and safety reasons.

almillar

Very unlikely. In any lease or contract hire arrangement I've ever seen the finance company is the RK and keeps the V5C.

Hmm, I'm thinking of PCPs I've had, and I've always been the registered keeper, even though it's not 'my' car.

dannyrst

Just ban smoking.

Guest101

dannyrst wrote: »

Just ban smoking.

Lose too much money if we did that

Oldfatgrumpy

So, after assuaging your addiction, did you put the cigarette end in the car's ashtray or did you chuck it out of the window? Littering is against the law so I presume it wasn't the latter.

Strider590

Smoking in cars..... I don't know why smokers can't understand this, but if someone smokes in a car (even once) you can smell it for months, if not years afterwards and this makes the car less desirable in the used car market.

When I bought my latest car, two of the check points were "has the lighter ever been used?" And turn the heater/ac on flat out "does it smell like an ashtray? (A sort of burnt dog !!!! smell).

Guest101

Strider590 wrote: »

Smoking in cars..... I don't know why smokers can't understand this, but if someone smokes in a car (even once) you can smell it for months, if not years afterwards and this makes the car less desirable in the used car market.

When I bought my latest car, two of the check points were "has the lighter ever been used?" And turn the heater/ac on flat out "does it smell like an ashtray? (A sort of burnt dog !!!! smell).

That makes the assumption that people intend to sell on their cars