REMAINERS -there is no recession

Thrugelmir

HornetSaver wrote: »

And I repeat, this will not, in and of itself, be evidence or proof that Brexit was a bad thing. Let's say (numbers out of thin air for illustrative purposes) the economy grows by 10% due to the opportunities that we have sought out and built upon in the near three years from the referendum to Brexit, contracts by 5% in the year after Brexit due to the shock of a different trading relationship, and then returns to steady growth. It would be true to simultaneously say that Brexit was the cause of a sharp recession, and that Brexit was an economically sound decision.

Perhaps rising interest rates, low wage increases, high debt levels, increased levels of taxation to pay for public sector services will trigger a downturn in any event. The ability of the UK to increase it's exports very fast isn't that great. As the manufacturing base forms a small part of the overall economy. The UK is some 70% service based. If anything it will be imports that will suffer. As people focus on paying for the essentials of life or simply saving or servicing their debts. .

Thrugelmir

economic wrote: »

he seems to make pointless points a lot of the time.

Bye bye. Time to press the ignore button. Me thinks :whistle:

Moby

Sapphire wrote: »

I'd say that nowadays it's perhaps primarily down to the global untouchable 'elites', with their behind-the-scenes manipulations. There's not much that ordinary individuals can do about it, especially given the generally poor level of education and brainwashing that has gone on over the last few decades, and the fact that the majority of working people, whose jobs are increasingly being threatened due to 'progress' and other obvious factors, are more powerless than ever to stand up to a conniving establishment that is not concerned with the good of the majority, just with its own enrichment… Apologies for the long sentence – in a rush.

Yeah right. This is the real establishment:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/crime/gina-miller-viscount-rhodri-colwyn-philipps-st-davids-westminster-magistrates-court-brexit-a7834636.html



...and this is what they think of people who challenge their sense of entitlement!

He wrote on the social media site on 7 November 2016: “£5,000 for the first person to 'accidentally' run over this bloody troublesome first generation immigrant."

He then described Ms Miller as a "boat jumper" and added: "If this is what we should expect from immigrants, send them back to their stinking jungles."

Four days later he posted about "torturing Tony Blair, Hilary Clinton, ISIS, Dave (PM) the forgettable, Murdoch..... Oh and that hideous jumped up immigrant Gina Miller".


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He also posted two comments in which he branded immigrants “monkeys”. In a post not directed towards Ms Miller, he wrote: “Please will someone smoke this ghastly insult to this country, why should I pay tax to feed these monkeys?

"A return to Planet of the Apes is not acceptable."

In a previous post he said: "I would vote for Trump if I could."

He talked about a "new crusade" and "collective register of Muslims" and added: "Makes the job a lot easier for our collective SIS [intelligence agencies] to track down non-conformists, and frankly, shoot them on the spot.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moby wrote: »

Yeah right. This is the real establishment:-
http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/crime/gina-miller-viscount-rhodri-colwyn-philipps-st-davids-westminster-magistrates-court-brexit-a7834636.html
...and this is what they think of people who challenge their sense of entitlement!

People are people and the reality is that it makes little difference whether you refer to "establishment", working class, or anywhere in between.
There are good and bad in all - and across the political spectrum too;
just one example being the labour peer Lord Janner.

Moby

Um no actually. Look at this mans language. Says it all about how these people think about the world. We all have individual flaws whatever our politics granted. This is different, he is expressing his world view. Brexit is being seen more and more to be the pained, inchoate cry of deluded Empire Loyalists who cannot face the reality of a country whose international reputation is diminished, and Mrs May is the unfortunate representation of that truth.

The idea that we will reclaim our position as a thrusting global trader is laughable and all attempts at projecting such an image are rightly scorned.
Our Prime Minister is an embarrassment.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/11/uk-economy-living-standards-squeeze-s-and-p-interest-rates-brexit


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-david-davis-other-countries-next-leave-a7836021.html

fatbeetle

Two links, both to the most rabidly pro Eu, anti-UK, newspapers, how you spoil us!

mayonnaise

fatbeetle wrote: »

Two links, both to the most rabidly pro Eu, anti-UK, newspapers, how you spoil us!

Anything non-factual in those links?
One is reporting David Davis' statements before the EU Select Committee, the other reports Moodys' analysis.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Anything non-factual in those links?
One is reporting David Davis' statements before the EU Select Committee, the other reports Moodys' analysis.

"Anything non-factual in those links?"
Pretty much all of both of them, TBH.
Both are predictions, not fact.

prediction
prɪˈdɪkʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: prediction; plural noun: predictions
a thing predicted; a forecast.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fact

You do understand the difference between predicting something and "something that is known to have happened or to exist" don't you?

mayonnaise

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You do understand the difference between predicting something and "something that is known to have happened or to exist" don't you?

This is so tiring, your 'Games of Forums' thing...
David Davis' statement isn't something that happened?
Moody's release isn't something that happened?
*double yawn*

Conrad

HornetSaver wrote: »

The UK economy is so deeply intertwined into the EU that things were never going to change overnight given that the economic rules had not been changed. .

GERMAN RE-UNIFICATION

“East Germany has over a hundred bilateral international treaties which will all need to be sorted out.”

The task at hand was daunting. Many people at the time argued that such a momentous endeavour — the abolition of one state, its merger with another, the ending of decades of continental conflict — would take many years.

Surely it made sense to phase things over a longer period? Instead, those in the driving seat planned to do it in months. And so they did. In October 1990, less than 12 months after the breaching of the Berlin Wall, the two Germanies united and communist East Germany, treaties and all, was written into the history books,

https://www.ft.com/content/7071d018-0d67-11e7-b030-768954394623