Husband refused PIP so scared about what we are going to do

nannytone_2

how do you manage his appointments / medication if you work full time?

micky2phones

nannytone wrote: »

how do you manage his appointments / medication if you work full time?

Hi, Nanny i was thinking the same also the O.P said " short term memory at the moment "

The above two points would say to the benefits people that this person doesnt need that much help IMO

nannytone_2

although you don't need to be receiving the help in order to claim PIP, you can't say someone is actually helping you ( not that you need help) if if they're not.

you have to prove the need and not help you receive to meet that need.

it does seem that there may be an issue with how permeant they see the needs

Confuseddot

I would defo speak to the CAB or something similar re filling in the forms for ESA and they should be able to help with appealing the PIP decision.

Faith177

micky2phones wrote: »

Hi, Nanny i was thinking the same also the O.P said " short term memory at the moment "

The above two points would say to the benefits people that this person doesnt need that much help IMO

nannytone wrote: »

although you don't need to be receiving the help in order to claim PIP, you can't say someone is actually helping you ( not that you need help) if if they're not.

you have to prove the need and not help you receive to meet that need.

it does seem that there may be an issue with how permeant they see the needs

I lay his tablets out for him before going to work I then ring him several times during the day to tell him when to take the Meds or do his peak flow measurements otherwise they will just sit there and he won't registered that he needs to have them.

I use my holiday at work and make up the time to attend his appointments where I can if not his therapists ring me to arrange his next appointment I then keep track of them and tell him where he needs to be and when. You can tell him something 2 minutes later he has forgotten

I say at the moment as we hope once they have confirmed the nature of his brain injury it still under investigation and with the aid of therapy it will improve it may never be what it was but we are hoping for improvement of some kind we are trying to be hopeful

Trust me I wish the bloody insurance would bloody well pay out its been 6 months we haven't had a penny out of them and it's now going to court and we are waiting for a hearing. It is out of our hands it was a total none fault claim and the other driver has accepted liability

Faith177

Alice_Holt wrote: »

I've posted details about the PIP appeal process on this thread:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5490905

Hopefully it may be of use.

Have a read throgh this guide:
http://www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-win-pip-appeal

Another source of very useful help is:
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-appeals
and
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/mandatory-reconsideration/

Good Luck.

Points and descriptors here:
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

Managing medication is 1 point only.
So you will need to identify another activity / descriptor.
How about - Needs prompting or assistance to be able to make complex budgeting decisions. 2 points.?

Where were the 6 points scored?

Thank you I will have a good read

We did say about his budgeting but because he could take £7 away from £100 and the another £7 again this in their opinion meant he was ok. Not the fact that if he sees say £50 in his account he can't remember he has a DD coming out in 2 days for £30 etc.

He scored 2 pts for preparing food (needs an aid to prepare), 2 for washing and bathing (needs an aid ie me), 2 for dressing and undressing (needs an aid again me). Then on mobility 4 pts for moving more than 50m but no more than 200

He seems to have scored on the physically side of his injury but the mental side seems to have been ignored. He is having level 3 CBT, speech therapy and occupational therapy.

He is also under Neurophyschology and a neurologist both have raised concerns with his cognitive recall, memory, attention and concentration. The neurologist believes there are significant ongoing psychology and psychiatric issues that need further exploration

Alice_Holt

The 2 points for complex budgeting looks at ability to manage household financials, pay bills, and plan future purchases etc.

This is what the PIP assessment guide says:
"This descriptor applies to people who need assistance with
managing their household bills or planning future purchases. A level
of vulnerability due to a cognitive or developmental impairment
which leaves the person vulnerable as a result of not understanding
everyday financial matters should also be considered.
This activity also applies to people who need prompting, e.g. those
who need to be encouraged or reminded to make complex
budgeting decisions.
Where bad budgeting decisions are made, consideration must be
given to whether this is as a result of a health condition or
impairment.
Similarly, some individuals may lack motivation to carry out this
activity and consideration must be given to whether this is as a
result of a health condition or impairment and whether the individual
would carry out the activity if they really had to, for example if they
were to receive a final notice to pay a bill."


Would DL activity 9 be relevant (due to concerns with his cognitive recall, memory, attention and concentration.)?

Activity 9 – Engaging with other people face to face
This activity considers a claimant’s ability to engage with other people,
which means to interact face-to-face in a contextually and socially
appropriate manner, understand body language and establish relationships.

"Needs prompting to be able to engage with other people.
2 points.

‘Prompting’ means reminding, encouraging or explaining by another
person. For example: may apply to people who need
encouragement to engage with others in the presence of a third party."

In fact with such a bad short term memory, you may well have a good agument for social support (4 points).

See https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf Page 123.

Alice_Holt

Faith177 wrote: »

I lay his tablets out for him before going to work I then ring him several times during the day to tell him when to take the Meds or do his peak flow measurements otherwise they will just sit there and he won't registered that he needs to have them.

This should have scored a point. Under PIP (unlike DLA) promting by telephone is included.

Do you have any toilet aids? Rail to help get off / on toilet, raised toilet seat?

With a poor short term memory might this apply - Activity 2 d. Needs prompting to be able to take nutrition. 4 points.?

PIP assessment guide -
"‘Prompting’ means reminding, encouraging or explaining by another
person.
May apply to claimants who need to be reminded to eat (for example,
due to a cognitive impairment or severe depression), or who need
prompting about portion size. Prompting regarding portion size should
be directly linked to a diagnosed condition such as Prader Willi
Syndrome or Anorexia. In cases where obesity is a factor through the
claimant’s lifestyle choices then this descriptor would not apply."

Alice_Holt

Re: mobility. (8 points needed for a standard award).

In addition to the 4 points awarded for moving around, have a careful look at the Planning and following journeys.descriptors.
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

Would this apply? From PIP assessment guide.

"This activity considers a claimant’s ability to plan and follow the route of a
journey. As with all the other activities, a claimant is to be assessed as satisfying
a descriptor only if the reliability criteria are also considered. The claimant must
be able to undertake the activity:
• safely (in a manner unlikely to cause harm to the claimant or to another,
either during or after completion of the activity);
• to an acceptable standard;
• repeatedly (as often as the activity being assessed is reasonably required to
be completed); and
• within a reasonable time period (no more than twice as long as the maximum
period that a person without a physical or mental condition which limits that
person’s ability to carry out the activity in question would normally take to
complete that activity).
Notes:
This activity was designed to assess the barriers claimants may face that are
associated with mental, cognitive or sensory ability.
Journey means a local journey, whether familiar or unfamiliar.
Environmental factors may be considered if they prevent the claimant from
reliably completing a journey, for example being unable to cope with crowds or
loud noises.."

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf Pages 128 / 9.

Alice_Holt

Do appeal this decision.
It will go to tribunal (the DWP won't change their mind at MR stage), but the tribunal service are very thorough. They will certaintly consider carefully the cognitive activities glossed over at the assessment.

The advice now guide is very good and takes you through the appeal process.
Benefits and Work has helpful guides and appeal tips / tactics - maybe worth subscribing.
Could your local CAB help?