Microsoft should be totally ashamed - W10 uninvited massive 2 hour update is CR#P

jmc160

Hmmm... Not seen N/A in the build string before so I had to google it... There's not a great deal out there about it (in the couple of minutes I spent looking) but speculatively it appears to be a Service Pack reference. As there are no service packs for W10, and probably won't be, it'll probably stay as N/A for the foreseeable future. i wouldn't worry about it for now anyway.

As for a clean install "now", I mean, I'd say do it when you're happy to do it. Or don't, if you don't want to. I tend to prefer a clean install if at all possible, as upgrades can bring with them some issues from the previous install, or at least historically they did. I'll usually do a clean install just for the extra peace of mind that I know the system is good. As Windows 10 was a free upgrade, it's not quite as simple but it should just be a case of letting the upgrade happen so it installs, licenses itself and registers with MS, then flatten the system and install it clean from that point.

In your case, I'd say get the system reliable (and backed up), take a break from it, get some fresh air and then decide if you want to go down the clean install route. Too much in such a short space of time might just push you over the edge :P In fact at this stage I'd probably wait til you can download an official ISO with the update already applied, if it's not out there already.

if you continue to see errors and weirdness on the system though, then it might be a good option just to rule out gremlins in the update

ETA: I imagine the hotfixes have been pushed out based on feedback/bug reports from others, probably those on the Insider Builds. I'd have to look into them a bit more to provide anything useful on them.

agarnett

Well there is an iso because I went looking specifically for such so I could discover yesterday that it was going to be 4.1GB (if I continued with the download)!

However, by multiple reports on the net, there still seem to be so many loose ends at the moment with regard to Kaspersky in particular (regarding non-compatibility with Edge or the new Webcam regime) that I think I will leave MS and Kaspersky to it for a bit.

To be fair, after Sunday's troubles which I worked round, what I have got at the moment seems stable. Having said that ... just noticed a notification in Activity Centre ... oh oh!

False alarm ... it is simply missing the File History drive (the USB stick which I'd removed because full). I read that if the nominated File History drive is disconnected for any reason, it beavers away continuing to record the back ups in some kind of cache, and then as soon as the drive is reconnected, it regurgitates the file history copies like a mother bird returning to the nest to feed its young (I made that last bit up for colour and effect )

Actually I will reconnect it ... I wonder if it will recognise it if a different drive letter is allocated?

Ha ... how interesting ... it reserves the drive letter for the nominated File History drive even when disconnected and you attach several other drives ... the letter is skipped when labeling them ...

almillar

Windows Live Mail is not an "out of date" program. You can still download it and install it direct from Microsoft.

I disagree. Just because it's still available, doesn't mean it's not out of date. I would have thought an experience IT pro like yourself would have moved on. If you're having trouble with it, why do you persevere? Why do you blame W10 instead of the Live Mail?

Fact is they don't fancy supporting it any more.

Exactly. That would be my definition of 'out of date'. Maybe people using Vista still want to download it, but I don't think W10 users should. What part of that makes me narrow minded?

I can't say if I'd set the metered connection setting correctly. All I can say is that it was switched off after the update! Nor can any of you say how it was with any certainty.

Absolutely. But it's your computer, and you'd rather assume that Microsoft is trying to shaft you, rather than you didn't set it.

But why should I have to justify my thin backup regime to you narrow minded types who are scared of flying in your latest technology without parachutes for every excursion - or so you would have your readers believe

You don't have to justify yourself to us. But you've just given a good reason why you don't back up - you're prepared to lose whatever is on that installation (I have similar). You'd have spent less time just reinstalling, than chasing all of this and ranting about it. You're talking as if it's mission critical, but you're not treating it as if it is.

PPS What on earth makes you think that the thousands of us who have been using a mixture of IMAP4 and POP3 and Local Folders and multiple email accounts since you were in short trousers want to "just use webmail" when Windows Live Mail already does what we want

Oof! Webmail has probably moved on a lot since you last used it, and I absolutely accept that it mightn't be up to a power user's requirements. I just can't understand why a power user would be messing around with Windows Live Mail! I think we've established that I'm younger than you. You seem to think that makes you better or more knowledgeable than me (and others) in this thread. Strange.

Seriously, what proportion of Home users do you believe implement any kind of back-up regime,

I've got no idea of the proportion. My point is that they SHOULD.

Why don't computer manufacturers routinely fit some kind of live back up which isn't reliant on an internet connection i.e. a cloud?

I'm sure you've heard of RAID, which a user is perfectly capable of setting up, to work over 2 HDDs. I'm sure the manufacturers would rather sell a separate 'back up drive' (often with backup software included) to get more money out of the user.

a genuine grievance about Microsoft's W10 Anniversary Update

Nope, it's about Windows Live Mail. This article says MOVE ON, and it appears you were given plenty of notice.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3067121/email/microsoft-to-windows-live-mail-2012-users-switch-now.html
You don't have to be a narrow minded IT person to know it's not smart to use unsupported software. Do you think Microsoft should even bother to test it? Do you think they have infinite resources?

Anyway, looks like you've got over yourself, stopped ranting, and are actually backing up now. Good man!

onomatopoeia99

almillar wrote: »

I'm sure you've heard of RAID, which a user is perfectly capable of setting up, to work over 2 HDDs. I'm sure the manufacturers would rather sell a separate 'back up drive' (often with backup software included) to get more money out of the user.

RAID is not a backup.

dipsomaniac

i pay 17.99 unlimited with plusnet (12 month free internet, just pay line renthal. and not locked in after 12 months) maybe not the best deal but good enough for peace of mind and unforseen downloads

AndyPix

dipsomaniac wrote: »

i pay 17.99 unlimited with plusnet (12 month free internet, just pay line renthal. and not locked in after 12 months) maybe not the best deal but good enough for peace of mind and unforseen downloads

Similar to my sky arrangement - what speed do you get if i may ask ?

dipsomaniac

cabinet not been updated so only 12.81 mbps download/1.07 upload

agarnett

Sorry guys - I'm all for playing nicely if you want to do the same, but I think I should break up this cosy little game you think you can play when someone like me "noisily" complains, and when you think you've done your little suppression bit and can now whitewash the thread.

This thread will never be an opportunity for you to gloss over the problem with the Microsoft's lazy rollout of the W10 Anniversary Update.

AndyPix, in the other thread you urged that you had a "site" where no less than 117 machines had been updated with W10 Anniversary Update without problems- To use your favorite phrase, fairplay to you and your colleagues for succeeding in what you get paid for. But then you belittled the "noise" that some users with problems made.

What you didn't say in the other thread is that 117 machines would have largely have been set up afresh exactly the same way, probably from a standard image on largely identical machines, certainly after a lot of testing and compatibility research by your team, and of course you are being paid to ensure that they worked perfectly first time - with your job very much on the line if you had just whacked out the update the way Microsoft did to us Home users.

You also confirmed when quizzed that the updates you used were certainly not the native/raw update we got landed with out of the blue.

Rum Rat also urged that he'd done 6 or 7 now with few if any problems he wishes to publish. 6 or 7 Home Editions on assorted computers of different manufacture and original W10 install date and different w7/w8 licensing routes to the original W10 installation? Methinks that an unlikely achievement with no problems encountered.

Standardisation across 100 machines coupled with your Microsoft and IBM and other maintenance contracts makes your corporate upgrade task a relative doddle compared to many Home Users.

You also get to choose when it happens, and you get paid to ensure it is right first time, or else.

What relevance is your experience of the corporate W10 Updgrade task to the vast majority of W10 users in the UK and world generally on W10 Home Edition such that you choose to spend time in your corporate day coming to a public, not corporate website spouting propaganda along the lines of "move along now - nothing to see"?

Your worldview on this is fairly typical I think of IT personnel generally. Perhaps it is an affliction nothing any of us would say is "your fault" unless you are being deliberately mischievous, but it is bloody frustrating when you dis users who do actually know enough to be rightfully making a noise about the problems they have had landed upon them, especially when it relates to the lack of foresight by paid professionals or deliberate shortcuts by their superiors. You might not need Microsoft to pull their socks up, but W10 Home users most definitely do.

From your posts earlier today, it seems you feel the need to protect Microsoft from my "noise"? I am intrigued to know why exactly would that be? I can guess a little of it I think - I alluded to it once before - your users read MSE. The slightest "noise" here on MSE about what a pile of cack W10 1607 or 14393 might be might suit some of your complaining users who use it to whip you.

Well sorry, if that's partly the reason, that's your problem - you get paid to deal with and service the needs of difficult users. We Home users have needs too, and corporate spin is not one of them.

AndyPix

You are a troll

agarnett

Nope, I'm a plain ol' MSE'er with my own head on my own shoulders who largely understands the tendencies within the worlds I touch, or which creep up and touch me from both over and under the flippin' bridge

It can sometimes be very humbling, but on the other hand, setting the record straight can sometimes be very satisfying too, can't it?

If in your world if you feel safest labeling me a troll, then sobeit.

Do keep up the good work you do.

I'll keep up the commentary of what I do so's it might help a few others too sometimes;)