Windows 10 Update RANT.

J_B

anotheruser wrote: »

No warning?

There's lots of warning...

agrinnall wrote: »

I have to disagree, the W10 update just appeared today with no prior advice that it was going to be a major change that would have some adverse impact on my setup. It wasn't a significant problem for me to resolve, but I can imagine plenty of people will be rather confused by what happens.

No warning for me either.
Several 'unwanted' changes too

fenlander_uk

anotheruser wrote: »

You have a download server running a Linux distro, yet you don't have the knowledge to be able to install an update that resolves bugs, adds features and makes it more secure?

Hmm, okay!

Clearly I do have that knowledge. What I don't have is the confidence that a Windows machine left unattended over a prolonged period would not do something unwanted and unasked-for that would require user intervention. I control my Linux machine and I know what it will do, short of a hardware failure: ultimately MS controls my Windows machines and MS doesn't have MY requirements and best interests at heart.

anotheruser

Sam_Fallow wrote: »

Just turn off the Auto-Updates. Oh yeah just remembered, it's not an option on the 'free' W10.

But wouldn't you want people to be using the latest and most secure version of your software?

It'll stop people calling you up with faults that were fixed many releases ago - much like Apple. Google on the other hand is a mess. Not many people are on the latest Android version and most never see updates beyond what comes pre-installed. They're waking up though and are making efforts to have updates released direct rather than carriers releasing them.

Steam is another great example of how automatic updating works. Yes, you can have it offline, or defer upgrades, but in the end, it will want you to upgrade to the latest version - just like Windows.

agrinnall wrote: »

I have to disagree, the W10 update just appeared today with no prior advice that it was going to be a major change that would have some adverse impact on my setup.

Strange though as mine didn't boot me into a gues account - everything was where I left it... at least I don't think it did! I still have one PC to go so we'll see how that works.

However, I appreciate your respect - this is what debate is about rather than what the majority of MSE threads go to!




Back to Windows though and of course, Microsoft want people to be automatically upgraded to the latest.

I changed a setting in Windows Update and now it won't restart without me telling it to. Yes, it'll download and prepare to install the updates but it won't actually apply them until I tell it to.

By installing Windows 10, you're choosing to have sporadic updates. If you don't want that, rollback (assuming you upgraded and still can). Alternatively, backup, re-install Windows 7 and upgrade when you don't have a choice.

Alternatively, there's a simple solution if you don't like it... don't use it.
Or just do what others are doing and adjust / get used to it. Tough but the truth, no other way round it.

Not many like change.

agarnett

@anotheruser
You clearly have a tendency to come across as rather superior on this issue. You would do well (and so then might they!) to try to empathise a little more with the vast majority.

We - on behalf of the vast majority - are not much interested in unthinking cliched commentary about people who do not like change.

What I can urge you to take on board is that probably 99999/10000 people dislike any change which is as seriously and carelessly mismanaged as W10 Anniversary Update.

You are seeking respect for your arguments in a debate? I don't much think that debate is required here other than on which are the easiest ways to fix what Microsoft has right royally busted for most unsuspecting users.

Can you not write something helpful for the OAPs who for example were using Windows Live Mail on W10 to manage their email, after naturally following all the iterations since Outlook Express to manage their email in ways they found useful, but now suddenly can't use it at all until someone like me has worked out how to fix his own machine, and then found time to come round and visit to fix theirs?

Jivesinger

anotheruser wrote: »

I changed a setting in Windows Update and now it won't restart without me telling it to. Yes, it'll download and prepare to install the updates but it won't actually apply them until I tell it to.

Although this setting will disappear when you get upgraded to the Anniversary Update mentioned in the first post, so you will no longer have that option.

agarnett

If it helps anyone who has suffered the W10 Anniversary Update and now has problems with Apps or Programs not working such as

• Apple's iCloud for Windows
• Adobe Acrobat
• Microsoft Windows Live Essentials including Windows Live Mail

My experiences today of getting them fixed (fingers crossed they seem to be!) can be read in the other thread.

jmc160

fenlander_uk wrote: »

In most respects I must agree. I have my W10 laptop with me on holiday and live in dread of it deciding to do the anniversary update while I'm on a slow connection and unequipped to take the necessary precautions (backup, etc).

Windows Update Settings > Advanced options > Defer upgrades

Jivesinger

jmc160 wrote: »

Windows Update Settings > Advanced options > Defer upgrades

...unless you're using Windows 10 Home (like many people) in which case you won't have this option.

jmc160

Jivesinger wrote: »

...unless you're using Windows 10 Home (like many people) in which case you won't have this option.

Oops, that didn't occure to me..

Thanks, feel free to ignore me!!

John_Gray

Jivesinger wrote: »

...unless you're using Windows 10 Home (like many people) in which case you won't have this option.

There are ways round this problem, such as described in How to stop automatic updates in Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Professional: Prevent forced updates installing on your PC.

Apologies if someone has already posted this, but sometimes it's difficult to see the wood for the trees, especially when there is Much Ranting in the Marsh....