Labour want to ignore the will of the people...

prowla

mwpt wrote: »

Ok, I accept that view, thanks. In this case, I will be most happy if the current democratically elected government pursues a [STRIKE]Norway[/STRIKE]UK type deal which retains freedom of movement, single market access but allows us to continue to forge our own trade agreements with other countries.

I'm not sure many leave voters would be happy with that though.

I would not want freedom of movement; I am in favour of a points system, where we can pick and choose who we want to come here.

I don't accept that trade with the EU requires freedom of movement.

I think it's also open to negotiation how much the EU wants to pay us for continued access to the UK market.

mwpt

prowla wrote: »

I would not want freedom of movement; I am in favour of a points system, where we can pick and choose who we want to come here.

I don't accept that trade with the EU requires freedom of movement.

I think it's also open to negotiation how much the EU wants to pay us for continued access to the UK market.

Ok, but since I would like free movement, how do we decide which one we should go for?

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

Ok, but since I would like free movement, how do we decide which one we should go for?

That argument was lost when Cameron came back empty handed and the people decided.

David Cameron told Europe’s leaders that they will have to offer the UK more control over immigration at the end of a fractious day where politicians across Europe clashed over the meaning and consequences of last week’s Brexit vote.

The British prime minster used his last Brussels summit to tell Angela Merkel, François Hollande and other European heads of government that anxieties about unrestricted freedom of movement were at the heart of the decision by Britons to reject the EU.

Time to move on.

mwpt

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That argument was lost when Cameron came back empty handed and the people decided.

Nope. The government may well negotiate an exit deal which involves free movement and single market access.

Tromking

mwpt wrote: »

It shows nothing of the sort. It shows me saying that in order to know what brexit means to the people of the country, we should have a general election (*) to elect a government based on what they advocate as the conditions of brexit.

(*) I am quite willing to consider alternatives, anything really, that actually tells us what brexit means to people. We just don't know. And for some reason, you appear unwilling to find out. Why?

For me at least, If the EU is the illness then Brexit is the cure. All this talk of the 'symptons' is an irrelevance to me.
The decision has been made and our elected representatives (as they have stated) will carry out our wishes.
Juncker, Hollande and Merkel had the opportunity to tinker with our membership of the EU and told our PM, sorry no deal.
Direct your ire toward the people in who had the power to strike a deal and instead gambled on the timidity of the UK electorate to vote for Brexit.

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

Nope. The government may well negotiate an exit deal which involves free movement and single market access.

Today's announced immigration figures merely ramp up the pressure to do something. Mrs May has to take a tough line.

prowla

mwpt wrote: »

Ok, but since I would like free movement, how do we decide which one we should go for?

Well, given that migration and fee movement was one of the (if not the) defining issue of the referendum, doing nothing about it might be inadvisable.

kinger101

CKhalvashi wrote: »

However deciding fully out is possibly going to be complete economic suicide, which won't keep the majority happy.

I see an EEA-style deal, but with a limit on inbound freedom of movement for probably 7 years to be the best option, and the one that will suit the majority.

The hyperbole is not useful. Damaging to the UK economy is the short term perhaps. But most of the world are not the the EEA. Including a considerable number of countries doing vastly better many of the EU's members.

You might like the sound of your deal, but it's not likely to be put on the table.

kinger101

mwpt wrote: »

Nope. The government may well negotiate an exit deal which involves free movement and single market access.

While they're at it, I think HM government should insist on the the following;

(a) The EU to make English the official and only language used. And a death penalty should be imposed everytime a French man says La Manche. It's the English Channel!
(b) The entire road system should also be changed so that everyone drives on the left.
(c) They can all move their clocks one hour back as well.
(d) The headquarters of the EU will be moved to the Sunderland

mwpt

prowla wrote: »

Well, given that migration and fee movement was one of the (if not the) defining issue of the referendum, doing nothing about it might be inadvisable.

But how many people are concerned about it? We don't know. All we know is that a bunch of people voted to leave the EU for various reasons. I accept that is what happened, and we will now leave the EU, but since I didn't become a non-person since being on the wrong side of that vote, my voice about what brexit should look like also counts. For some reason you guys don't seem so keen on that idea.