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Tweeting an abortion
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Agree that the laws over abortion in Ireland (and Northern Ireland) are cruel.
I remember reading about the woman whose child had anencephaly - where the neural tube fails to close correctly in the first few weeks of pregnancy - leaves the child missing the top part of their skull and only leaving the brain stem.
Obviously a fatal condition - however due to the law in Northern Ireland she could not have a termination.
I felt sickened to hear about this - I'd not realised how insanely backward the abortion legislation was in some places.
Some people choose to carry on with a pregnancy in a situation like this because that's what they feel is right.
But it should be their choice!
The fact that you'd be told 'you must carry this baby to full term' could have a devastating impact on a person who knows their baby will only survive minutes after the birth - with no higher level brain function.
That's an awful thing to force a person to do against their will. 20-30 weeks of carrying a baby and going through child birth.
Many women would rather choose to have a termination and have the time they need to come to terms with their loss - then move on with life, have the chance to try again for a baby when they feel ready.
When I was reading the story we were going through the exact same thing - but because we live where we do, we had the choice.
At the very least - every country should allow abortion when the baby has a fatal condition/abnormalityMortgage remaining: £42,260 of £77,000 (2.59% til 03/18 - 2.09% til 03/23)
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Sometimes, if you don't rock the boat, nothing get changed, or improved, or recognised.
Like Margaret Humphreys and the Child Migrant Trust.0 -
Agreed FreddyFrugal.
I think that is the worst thing about the law on this in Ireland - ie that even where the foetus is known to be severely handicapped abortions arent allowed.
I also think it's appalling that even in cases of rape or similar it's still not allowed either. Bad enough for a woman to be raped - but to then be forced to carry a reminder of the event around for 9 months afterwards as well is positively inhuman. One would only hope they at least have the decency to take the baby away the second it's born and have it adopted - unless the woman has somehow made the decision she wants the baby anyway. I know that, in that position, I would certainly worry that the baby concerned might have inherited an evil gene responsible for its father being a rapist (who knows whether its "nature or nurture" that makes people be that way?).
But...yes....I do believe abortion should be totally on demand. Our bodies our choice.
I am just so aware that, if I were an Irish woman unwillingly pregnant, then if I couldnt get to England to have it done I would be looking up what herbs to take to "bring on a period" myself and there must be women who are taking that option or perhaps deliberately self-harming in some way (eg drinking heavily/taking huge physical risks/etc and hoping .....).0 -
Deleted_User wrote: »Here in the UK the abortion debate has been settled for many years but across the Irish Sea things are much different.
In Ireland terminations are only allowed if the mother's life is in danger including from suicide.All other procedures including children conceived through rape or incest or with fatal abnormalities have to be full term.
An unnamed woman set off from Ireland this morning travelling to England in order to have an abortion with a friend travelling in support and helping her tweet about what was happening in order to bring pressure on the Irish government to change the law.
3,500 Irish women a year make this same journey.
Please re-tweet if you wish to support.
#twowomentravel
You do realise that it is far from settled in the UK. Women in Northern Ireland still don't have control over their own bodies.0 -
Rosemary7391 wrote: »I see - I think I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought they were just waving (possibly distasteful) placards, as folk are wont to do. Going after individuals absolutely isn't on.
They do it outside the Marie Stopes clinic near me too. They verbally abuse patients, doctors and nurses going in to the clinic, so much so that there is now an electronic side gate to keep patients/staff safe when the protesters are there.Accept your past without regret, handle your present with confidence and face your future without fear0 -
I wonder what would happen if users of the clinic "gave as good as they got".
Well - if these "pro life" protestors feel free to yell/harangue/etc us - then obviously it goes both ways....
I know that, personally speaking, I would be quite capable of throwing a right mouthful back at them and they wouldnt get away with "yell at me - but I would keep quiet in response". They'd hear some very choice language - from someone that definitely doesnt look like she speaks that way normally (ie because I don't...).
If I were running the clinic - never mind scuttling in a gate - I'd have someone out there filming them (and making sure I caught the individual faces of everyone on that protest).0 -
moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »I wonder what would happen if users of the clinic "gave as good as they got".
Well - if these "pro life" protestors feel free to yell/harangue/etc us - then obviously it goes both ways....
I know that, personally speaking, I would be quite capable of throwing a right mouthful back at them and they wouldnt get away with "yell at me - but I would keep quiet in response". They'd hear some very choice language - from someone that definitely doesnt look like she speaks that way normally (ie because I don't...).
If I were running the clinic - never mind scuttling in a gate - I'd have someone out there filming them (and making sure I caught the individual faces of everyone on that protest).
And thereby giving these people just what they want - a public argument/fight and ensuing free publicity.0 -
FreddieFrugal wrote: »Agree that the laws over abortion in Ireland (and Northern Ireland) are cruel.
I remember reading about the woman whose child had anencephaly - where the neural tube fails to close correctly in the first few weeks of pregnancy - leaves the child missing the top part of their skull and only leaving the brain stem.
Obviously a fatal condition - however due to the law in Northern Ireland she could not have a termination.
No. She'd have been able to get an abortion in Northern Ireland for this.“What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare0 -
I haven't followed the story very closely, was it an abortion on demand so to speak, or was it on medical grounds?0
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qwert_yuiop wrote: »No. She'd have been able to get an abortion in Northern Ireland for this.
No qwerty
Abortions are only allowed in Northern Ireland in circumstances of long term physical and mental health to the woman
The viability of the foetus pays no part whatsoeverNO MORE HANDWASH GLITCHES PLEASE:D
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