Tweeting an abortion

moneyistooshorttomention

missbiggles1 wrote: »

That's by no means necessarily the case - many woman would be really pleased to have solved their problem, even if it meant travelling to do so.

Personally, I don't find that comment of yours to be supportive at all.

I had interpreted "an awful day for her" as, in her position, I would be feeling profoundly betrayed basically. In the first place - by my own body (getting pregnant on me against my wishes). Followed by betrayed by my own country - ie because they negated my right to do as I decided with my own body and I therefore had to travel elsewhere to get something I should be able to have in my own country. For all we know - the man involved isn't behaving very supportively to her either. So she is having to cope with either double (or maybe even triple) betrayal in effect.

Personally - I would find that thoroughly upsetting to have been put in that position and would be regarding it as "an awful day" as the primary thought/feelings in my mind. Obviously interspersed with being grateful that England would help me out on this and I wasnt forced to go even further afield or carry the pregnancy through to adoption at the end of it (and probably being pressurised by family during the pregnancy to keep the child - even after having made it plain I didnt wish to/it was none of their business to have an opinion on it).

onomatopoeia99

unholyangel wrote: »

There's probably quite a few more but those are the most notable. Especially Paton v United Kingdom as it was an EU court ruling meaning its binding on lower courts in european countries.

Just for clarity, the European Court of Human Rights, which gave the judgement above, is not connected with the EU.

baby_lemonade

and let's not even go into the fact that we're not going to be in Europe for much longer!

Anyway, the OP's stance that it's 'settled' seems far from true!

mumps

baby_lemonade wrote: »

The 'abortion debate' is far from settled (!) but at least women don't have to go to Vera Drakes to get rid of their 'problem' anymore.

There are [STRIKE]nutters[/STRIKE] anti-abortion activists in my local town every Weds, holding up posters of aborted foetuses in full view of children, women and everyone passing by. The Police can do nothing about them.


I think these women are very brave (foolish?) to come out and tweet about having an abortion, because 1) a lot of people would believe that to be murder. I'm not one of them, I'm just saying there's people who view abortion to be a truly evil act. And 2) you're not actually allowed to have an abortion here in the UK unless 2 doctors sign to say the woman's health would be at risk if the pregnancy were to continue. By going so public they could in fact be legally stopped if someone chose to do so.

No I won't be tweeting or re-tweeting it.

The bit in bold works two ways though, I remember being stopped by an abortion on demand campaign, I had a toddler and a new baby in a pram and a rather aggressive person demanded I sign their petition as I would sympathise with their aims. Actually as someone who was still a bit hormonal I found the idea truly upsetting and ended up shouting at her to let me past as she was blocking my way.

baby_lemonade

It would be quite interesting if the abortion on demand campaigners were to turn up in the same spot at the same time.. but the anti-abortion people know they have the law on their side now, and are untouchable. If any other group turned up and there was a breach of the peace, they'd be the ones who'd get arrested.

Torry_Quine

baby_lemonade wrote: »

Roe vs Wade..

Could be reversed at any time..

AsOthers have said that's nt relevant here.

Rosemary7391 wrote: »

Our streets are full of people and noise wanting our attention, which does annoy me but it is important that different viewpoints can be heard. I can see it would be unpleasant to come across for some, but I don't think that can ever be harassment - it isn't targeted or sustained.

You're right though, it probably isn't a good idea to use very graphic images. And if they're there every weekend for an extended period of time you can question just how effective their campaign is. Maybe there should be a limit on how frequently one can campaign in the same place over a given issue? Fraught with difficulty though! I think I'd err on the side of letting them do it and run out of steam if their message isn't catching on, as the simplest approach that doesn't carry other unwanted potential comebacks with restricting freedom of speech.

Tom, appreciate you didn't want to start a debate, but equally with nothing to talk about the thread will die and fewer people will see it... swings and roundabouts! Seems civil enough so far though

I am totally opposed to this kind of behavior which must be extremely upsetting for many.

mumps wrote: »

The bit in bold works two ways though, I remember being stopped by an abortion on demand campaign, I had a toddler and a new baby in a pram and a rather aggressive person demanded I sign their petition as I would sympathise with their aims. Actually as someone who was still a bit hormonal I found the idea truly upsetting and ended up shouting at her to let me past as she was blocking my way.

That would be difficult too.

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missbiggles1 wrote: »

That's by no means necessarily the case - many woman would be really pleased to have solved their problem, even if it meant travelling to do so.

Personally, I don't find that comment of yours to be supportive at all.

Well,you or I will never know whether the woman in question finds it supportive or not.
Or whether the 3,500 Irish women who make the same journey every year are " really pleased " to be doing it.Personally I suspect not.I'm sure they would rather have the right to terminate their pregnancy in their own country.
She is tweeting it in order to bring pressure on her government to change its rather archaic stance on abortion.
All I ask is that anyone wishing to support her re-tweets her tag.
You may choose to either re-tweet it or simply ignore this thread altogether because,as I wrote previously,it's not really intended to stoke up a debate about abortion.

missbiggles1

Deleted_User wrote: »

Well,you or I will never know whether the woman in question finds it supportive or not.
Or whether the 3,500 Irish women who make the same journey every year are " really pleased " to be doing it.Personally I suspect not.I'm sure they would rather have the right to terminate their pregnancy in their own country.
She is tweeting it in order to bring pressure on her government to change its rather archaic stance on abortion.
All I ask is that anyone wishing to support her re-tweets her tag.
You may choose to either re-tweet it or simply ignore this thread altogether because,as I wrote previously,it's not really intended to stoke up a debate about abortion.

Of course nobody's really pleased to have to travel for an abortion - it was your comment that that it " must be an awful day for her" that I was objecting to! It plays right into the hands of the anti abortion brigade!

Gavin83

Deleted_User wrote: »

Well,you or I will never know whether the woman in question finds it supportive or not.
Or whether the 3,500 Irish women who make the same journey every year are " really pleased " to be doing it.Personally I suspect not.I'm sure they would rather have the right to terminate their pregnancy in their own country.
She is tweeting it in order to bring pressure on her government to change its rather archaic stance on abortion.
All I ask is that anyone wishing to support her re-tweets her tag.
You may choose to either re-tweet it or simply ignore this thread altogether because,as I wrote previously,it's not really intended to stoke up a debate about abortion.

I don't have a problem with abortion at all but I don't feel it's my right to interfere and tell another country how to run itself. There is far too much of this already happening in this World. Therefore I won't be supporting her cause but wish her the best of luck in her quest.

moneyistooshorttomention

It's done. The abortion has been safely performed.

It's there on the online newspapers this morning (one of them at any rate - ie the Daily Mail).

Twowomentravel.

Pleased it's mission accomplished successfully. Sorry for the women concerned - as it shouldnt have had to be that way.

I gather they had to take a taxi from a first clinic to a second one - and guess this is down to them going to a Marie Stopes clinic and having to transfer to another one. Marie Stopes clinics have got problems right at the moment because it's being said they arent performing procedures correctly (ie with minimum of pain/trauma/etc). This may or may not be the case - and I can only talk about the sterilisation operation I had there many years ago now and they did make a mistake there (ie they told me the stitches would dissolve - and they didnt! - and I therefore had unnecessary pain as they were subsequently removed). So - I think it is possible that procedures there arent being done as "easily for the woman" as they should be...

I am sorry these women had to go to all this unnecessary extra expense/hassle to come here to get it done - when it should be available in Ireland too.

I hope this campaign does give positive results - and I don't blame them a bit for shaming the Irish Government and good on them for doing so.:T