Brexit means Brexit

CLAPTON

Quasar wrote: »

Tell me where you get this idea from my posts?

On the contrary I have slapped on the wrists those who wish to leave the EU because it has too many foreigners in it. We live in a global economy and every country needs to accept commerce with all other countries. The modalities may have to vary according to resources and political imperatives (I cannot imagine doing business with ISIS, for example).

What I am saying is that Brexiters (not all but certainly most of them) want to get out precisely NOT to have too much foreign influence in the UK - a thing which will not happen after Brexit because of the reasons stated in my first paragraph, and because the UK on its own will need to strike deals as soon as possible, and large multinationals and government know it, and will present deals more favourable to them than to the UK. Whether one likes it or not, the EU bloc does have clout. Leave it and you have less.

so you are saying that post brexit things will be as bad for the UK as they are now for Aus, NZ, Canada, Singapore, S Korea, and most of the countries of the world except for say USA and China?

You seem not to understand the difference between trading with peoples and being ruled by them.
If 'China' reacts badly to the UK reviewing a commercial deal about electricity generation, then maybe it shows we shouldn't deal with vile dictatorships on such sensitive matters.

Give us some examples of grossing unfair trading arrangements : maybe the way the EU treat black africa?

Quasar

CLAPTON wrote: »

so you are saying that post brexit things will be as bad for the UK as they are now for Aus, NZ, Canada, Singapore, S Korea, and most of the countries of the world except for say USA and China?

You seem not to understand the difference between trading with peoples and being ruled by them.
If 'China' reacts badly to the UK reviewing a commercial deal about electricity generation, then maybe it shows we shouldn't deal with vile dictatorships on such sensitive matters.

Give us some examples of grossing unfair trading arrangements : maybe the way the EU treat black africa?

Look, nobody knows how it will pan out exactly, but I can tell you that negotiating deals is not a matter of a few conversations over dinner. THAT is my point. Trade deals whils in large trading block come easier. We shall have to wait and see, but I'm surprised that Brexit leaders haven't produced some sort of plans before the referendum. THAT is a worry. Do they know how to proceed post-exit? None of this was addressed during the campaign and almost two months on, still not a squeak, nor that brexit voters seem to be anxious to find out.

As for China, don't be deceived. This may turn out to be the new master.

CLAPTON

Quasar wrote: »

Look, nobody knows how it will pan out exactly, but I can tell you that negotiating deals is not a matter of a few conversations over dinner. THAT is my point. Trade deals whils in large trading block come easier. We shall have to wait and see, but I'm surprised that Brexit leaders haven't produced some sort of plans before the referendum. THAT is a worry. Do they know how to proceed post-exit? None of this was addressed during the campaign and almost two months on, still not a squeak, nor that brexit voters seem to be anxious to find out.

As for China, don't be deceived. This may turn out to be the new master.

who were the 'brexit leaders' before the referendum ? Theresa May?

mayonnaise

Quasar wrote: »

but I'm surprised that Brexit leaders haven't produced some sort of plans before the referendum. THAT is a worry. Do they know how to proceed post-exit? None of this was addressed during the campaign and almost two months on, still not a squeak, nor that brexit voters seem to be anxious to find out.

They're bickering already over who should be in charge of what.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/liam-fox-boris-johnson-lock-horns-over-who-controls-foreign-policy-1575999
But I'm sure that maybe, one day, there will be a plan.

Thrugelmir

Quasar wrote: »

We are already seeing how China is reacting to the UK dragging its feet over the new nuclear plant. A taste of things to come.

So you think that the UK should sign a deal that will result in inflated energy prices for all of us? Currently around £36 per megawatt hour. The Chinese will receive a guaranteed £92.50p.

Rather than rant about Brexit. Focus on the real issues.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

They're bickering already over who should be in charge of what.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/liam-fox-boris-johnson-lock-horns-over-who-controls-foreign-policy-1575999
But I'm sure that maybe, one day, there will be a plan.

politicians debating different view points before arriving at an agreed plan
quite 'revolutionary' : would never happen in the labour party.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

politicians debating different view points before arriving at an agreed plan
quite 'revolutionary' : would never happen in the labour party.

It seems to me they're debating who sits where at the moment rather than the plan.

Your prediction of a plan within 6 weeks of the results looks wildly optimistic.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

It seems to me they're debating who sits where at the moment rather than the plan.

Your prediction of a plan within 6 weeks of the results looks wildly optimistic.

as I repeated stated : it was a politician's 6 weeks.

Of course I did assume that the PM would be a brexit person rather than a 'remainder' so I got that very wrong.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

as I repeated stated : it was a politician's 6 weeks.

Of course I did assume that the PM would be a brexit person rather than a 'remainder' so I got that very wrong.

May is hardly a remainiac and there are plenty of Brexiteers. She sits next to the leader of the leave campaign at cabinet.

The lack of a plan is because it's far far more complicated than the leave campaign led us to believe. I did think a decade of uncertainty was probably over-egging it but that view is gaining credence.

Brilliant for foreigners looking for yield as Sterling continues its journey downwards. They must be thinking it's sale of the century.

KingS6

Quasar wrote: »

Brexiters have voted largely so that they are not "ruled by them foreigners", and with the misguided idea that immigration would be stemmed big time. There is NO way that said Brexiters would change their minds. Foreigners out - that is the beginning and end of the motivation and nothing will budge them.

As to the uncertainty of the implications, that will remain until things unravel after actual exit, because the Brexit leader do not and never had a clue what to do in case the people voted to get out, and they know full well that the UK will not have such an easy time striking lucrative deals with other countries, because other countries are quite aware that the UK will be the more desperate to cut these deals. We are already seeing how China is reacting to the UK dragging its feet over the new nuclear plant. A taste of things to come.

I'm not a Brit so it doesn't matter to me what will happen, so just sayin'.

Actually no, I told a lie: it does matter to me that the UK prospers, because the bulk of my pension is in the UK, but I think the powers that be haven't got the faintest how to go about creating this utopia in a country that big corporations and foreign powers will have by the short and curlies far more than they have now. Nice one, UK voters!

If that's the case why did so many big corporations back remain? Why did so many foreign powers intervene to say it's within their interests for the UK not to leave the EU?