Brexit means Brexit

KingS6

Wise words from the fellow Wanderers supporter.

Herzlos

dealer_wins wrote: »

If we dont leave the EU, then democracy is finished in this country.

We had democracy?

Quasar

BobQ wrote: »

We are about to spend a lot of money extricating our country from the EU and the uncertainty of its implications (for good or ill)

It would be good to know that the outcome is worthwhile and more than just moving to the EEA and continuing in the single market, freedom of movement, and paying the same contributions.

Brexiters have voted largely so that they are not "ruled by them foreigners", and with the misguided idea that immigration would be stemmed big time. There is NO way that said Brexiters would change their minds. Foreigners out - that is the beginning and end of the motivation and nothing will budge them.

As to the uncertainty of the implications, that will remain until things unravel after actual exit, because the Brexit leader do not and never had a clue what to do in case the people voted to get out, and they know full well that the UK will not have such an easy time striking lucrative deals with other countries, because other countries are quite aware that the UK will be the more desperate to cut these deals. We are already seeing how China is reacting to the UK dragging its feet over the new nuclear plant. A taste of things to come.

I'm not a Brit so it doesn't matter to me what will happen, so just sayin'.

Actually no, I told a lie: it does matter to me that the UK prospers, because the bulk of my pension is in the UK, but I think the powers that be haven't got the faintest how to go about creating this utopia in a country that big corporations and foreign powers will have by the short and curlies far more than they have now. Nice one, UK voters!

Tromking

Quasar wrote: »

Brexiters have voted largely so that they are not "ruled" by them foreigners, and with the misguided idea that immigration would be stemmed big time. There NO way that said Brexiters would change their minds. Foreigners out - that is the beginning and end of the motivation and nothing will budge them.

As to the uncertainty of the implications, that will remain until things unravel after actual exit, because the Brexit leader do not and never had a clue what to do in case the people voted to get out, and they know full well that the UK will not have such an easy time striking lucrative deals with other countries, because other countries knows that the UK will be more desperate than they are to cut these deals. We are already seeing how China is reacting to the UK dragging its feet over the new nuclear plant. A taste of things to come.

I'm not a Brit so it doesn't matter to me what will happen, so just sayin'.

Actually no, I tell a lie: it does matter to me that the UK does well, because the bulk of my pension is in the YK>

Perhaps not being a Brit means you can't understand. The UK has a fine tradtion of not following 'herd-like' the rest of mainland Europe, Catholicism and Fascism to name but two instances of our inherant independence of spirit.
Nothing against foreigners, just want my lawmakers to be British and in my national parliament most other countries citizens are the same when it comes to democracy.
Well done on your pension, i can think of other countries where you would have been up **** creek in recent years.

StevieJ

They could hold a 2nd vote after the holiday season, the 18% drop in spending power in Spain could change a few minds

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Perhaps not being a Brit means you can't understand. The UK has a fine tradtion of not following 'herd-like' the rest of mainland Europe, Catholicism and Fascism to name but two instances of our inherant independence of spirit.

We do have a reputation for being extraordinarily stubborn and hankering after the old Empire, which was hardly any sort of utopia for the people we dragged into it.

We rejected Catholicism so that the king at the time could divorce his wife. We also nearly decided to join the Fascists.

Nothing against foreigners, just want my lawmakers to be British and in my national parliament most other countries citizens are the same when it comes to democracy.

I personally don't give a stuff if my lawmakers are British, I just want the laws to be fair and reasonable.

CLAPTON

Quasar wrote: »

Brexiters have voted largely so that they are not "ruled by them foreigners", and with the misguided idea that immigration would be stemmed big time. There is NO way that said Brexiters would change their minds. Foreigners out - that is the beginning and end of the motivation and nothing will budge them.

As to the uncertainty of the implications, that will remain until things unravel after actual exit, because the Brexit leader do not and never had a clue what to do in case the people voted to get out, and they know full well that the UK will not have such an easy time striking lucrative deals with other countries, because other countries are quite aware that the UK will be the more desperate to cut these deals. We are already seeing how China is reacting to the UK dragging its feet over the new nuclear plant. A taste of things to come.

I'm not a Brit so it doesn't matter to me what will happen, so just sayin'.

Actually no, I told a lie: it does matter to me that the UK prospers, because the bulk of my pension is in the UK, but I think the powers that be haven't got the faintest how to go about creating this utopia in a country that big corporations and foreign powers will have by the short and curlies far more than they have now. Nice one, UK voters!

why do you think that the nuclear deal is good for the UK?

why do you think that big corporations and foreign powers have Aus, NZ, S Korea, Brazil, Singapore etc by the short and curlies?

why do you think that discriminating against black African states is a good idea? There is, of course, no way that 'remainers ' will ever change their mind about discriminating against people of countries who are not white, christian and european.
I don't know where you are from but I don't like your taste in discriminating against most of the peoples of the world.

Quasar

CLAPTON wrote: »

why do you think that the nuclear deal is good for the UK?

why do you think that big corporations and foreign powers have Aus, NZ, S Korea, Brazil, Singapore etc by the short and curlies?

why do you think that discriminating against black African states is a good idea? There is, of course, no way that 'remainers ' will ever change their mind about discriminating against people of countries who are not white, christian and european.
I don't know where you are from but I don't like your taste in discriminating against most of the peoples of the world.

Actually, you have got me all wrong. I'm saying that big business will look after ITS interests, not those of any country, and since big business is what runs countries, there you have it. I really don't know what you are getting at, especially with the "black African states", but there we go.

CLAPTON

Quasar wrote: »

Actually, you have got me all wrong. I'm saying that big business will look after ITS interests, not those of any country, and since big business is what runs countries, there you have it. I really don't know what you are getting at, especially with the "black African states", but there we go.

I agree that business will look after there own interests : how does that change where we are part of the EU or not: no different to Aus, NZ, Canada , Singapore etc etc.

As you know the 'remain camp' voted to discrimination against all non white non christian, non european countries e.g. like all Black Africa, SE Asia etc.
They specifically rejected the option to trade will all countries of the world on an equal footing.
The were absolutely terrified when it was suggested that Turkey might join the Eu, but consoled themselves that the racist East Europeans would veto such a move.
You seem to have a lot of sympathy with these people and very little with people who want to trade with all peoples and countries on an equal footing.

Quasar

CLAPTON wrote: »

I agree that business will look after there own interests : how does that change where we are part of the EU or not: no different to Aus, NZ, Canada , Singapore etc etc.

As you know the 'remain camp' voted to discrimination against all non white non christian, non european countries e.g. like all Black Africa, SE Asia etc.
They specifically rejected the option to trade will all countries of the world on an equal footing.
The were absolutely terrified when it was suggested that Turkey might join the Eu, but consoled themselves that the racist East Europeans would veto such a move.
You seem to have a lot of sympathy with these people and very little with people who want to trade with all peoples and countries on an equal footing.

Tell me where you get this idea from my posts?

On the contrary I have slapped on the wrists those who wish to leave the EU because it has too many foreigners in it. We live in a global economy and every country needs to accept commerce with all other countries. The modalities may have to vary according to resources and political imperatives (I cannot imagine doing business with ISIS, for example).

What I am saying is that Brexiters (not all but certainly most of them) want to get out precisely NOT to have too much foreign influence in the UK - a thing which will not happen after Brexit because of the reasons stated in my first paragraph, and because the UK on its own will need to strike deals as soon as possible, and large multinationals and government know it, and will present deals more favourable to them than to the UK. Whether one likes it or not, the EU bloc does have clout. Leave it and you have less.