THE Prepping thread - a new beginning :)

Doveling

Boot and shoe laces. Just snapped a pair and don't have a spare pair for my boots.
That's just wiped the smug always prepared look off my face :rotfl:

Not at the stage of using baling twine like my Grandad so think a few pairs stashed away would not go amiss.:)

Seems to me that we've come through a time when everyone's standards of living (and therefore expectations) have risen.
But now things seem to be spiralling downwards again and people are being played off against each other.:(

Animal Farm

moneyistooshorttomention

culpepper wrote: »

I think the developers of the self driving cars are discussing a tax to cover the loss of employment their product will influence.
I don't know..why is it right to continue developing machinery that will leave less people in any kind of employment?
People need their purpose, without one, it seems to me, there is little to keep them peaceful and happy.

Back in the 60s there was all that enthusiasm for the ' space age' and dreams of the lovely leisure and freedom that would follow but I'm not sure that they envisaged that as inactivity and compliance somehow.
I think it was really a rich man's view of a rich man's future and little else.

The Luddites were way ahead of their time.

Admit to being puzzled as to how self-driving cars would cause loss of jobs? It's only the very rich that have chauffeurs - and they'd almost certainly still have them anyway. I hadnt realised that any proposals had yet been made re such a tax.

The thought had crossed my mind as to whether to have a car after all - once they are self-driving and powered by "green energy" (eg solar panels). I still can't afford a car anyway at present - but don't actually want one (because of the combination of not wanting to have to drive it and not wanting to use petrol to power it). But it would actually be seriously on the agenda in those circumstances if I could afford it and was still living so remotely (ie the poor public transport here). Downside of that being = other people are probably thinking the same and there might be more than 1 extra car on the roads.

Re the age of leisure envisaged in the 1960s - I remember a science teacher specifically telling us that that was how the future would be and "wouldnt it be lovely". I think we probably all believed him - I certainly did. Back then - I don't think many of us thought that technology would be used to remove jobs totally. Instead we thought (well....I did anyway....) that the amount of work still needing doing would be shared out equally and any topping-up of income necessary for those shorter workweeks would be done (ie by the Government = courtesy of taxation of the rich). It sounds naive now - but, if a middle-aged teacher was busily telling us this was how it would be, then it's not surprising we believed it.

Purpose is indeed something that many of us need. I doubt that everyone needs it. Some people manage perfectly well without purpose. But....I'm one of the people that needs purpose and I've still not really figured one out in retirement yet. Voluntary work will always be with us - and I do some myself - and that's one way that many can have some sense of purpose. But I do think we need an ongoing dialogue on this.

daz378

i think we are at the beginning of a technological revolution in terms of hardware and software, in the past it was mainly the lower classes that bore the brunt technological advancements ....now those advances are affecting middleclass industries.... parts of accountancy/law isnt there an app that will enable to challenge your parking ticket with a few clicks? reckon i have another 4 years in my job before we have to renew contracts... my plastic storage cases continue to fill up with salmon/ham/corn beef...... full of a cold but have to go to work , dont feel like it but it costs our organisation 500k a year in sickies, so better go in.....you all take care

moneyistooshorttomention

You're correct daz.

Hence why I said it will be careers (as well as jobs) that get affected. I seem to recall already reading about technology that can have legal info. input into it and be a substitute solicitor. My reaction to that was "I've come across some pretty cr*p solicitors before now - usually other peoples:D - and it would be just as well to have an up-to-date/impartial/etc/etc source of legal info. - rather than a duff solicitor".

culpepper

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Admit to being puzzled as to how self-driving cars would cause loss of jobs? It's only the very rich that have chauffeurs - and they'd almost certainly still have them anyway. I hadnt realised that any proposals had yet been made re such a tax.

The thought had crossed my mind as to whether to have a car after all - once they are self-driving and powered by "green energy" (eg solar panels). I still can't afford a car anyway at present - but don't actually want one (because of the combination of not wanting to have to drive it and not wanting to use petrol to power it). But it would actually be seriously on the agenda in those circumstances if I could afford it and was still living so remotely (ie the poor public transport here). Downside of that being = other people are probably thinking the same and there might be more than 1 extra car on the roads.

Re the age of leisure envisaged in the 1960s - I remember a science teacher specifically telling us that that was how the future would be and "wouldnt it be lovely". I think we probably all believed him - I certainly did. Back then - I don't think many of us thought that technology would be used to remove jobs totally. Instead we thought (well....I did anyway....) that the amount of work still needing doing would be shared out equally and any topping-up of income necessary for those shorter workweeks would be done (ie by the Government = courtesy of taxation of the rich). It sounds naive now - but, if a middle-aged teacher was busily telling us this was how it would be, then it's not surprising we believed it.

Purpose is indeed something that many of us need. I doubt that everyone needs it. Some people manage perfectly well without purpose. But....I'm one of the people that needs purpose and I've still not really figured one out in retirement yet. Voluntary work will always be with us - and I do some myself - and that's one way that many can have some sense of purpose. But I do think we need an ongoing dialogue on this.

The self drive cars would become cabs and buses, lorries and courier cars. Imagine Lorries that park themselves.. The humans would become the loaders and unloaders and no need for a qualified driver with an HGV license then. Buses with no staff at all because the PSV license would be redundant and there hasn't been a conductor for yonks.
Cabs where you get in ,state your destination and put your bank card in the scanner. Get out at the other end, retrieve your card and walk away.

Anything where it is cheaper not to have a skilled person driving and quicker to have minimal human interaction.
Time is money and money is king.

moneyistooshorttomention

Ah right - I was taking it literally as meaning "cars". Hadn't thought on to other vehicles.

Valid point then.

Downside for everyone - no person there on buses, etc, that is responsible for the welfare of the passengers. Not good...

Doveling

They've done a report :rotfl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37987166

Should have saved their money and just asked us :rotfl:

Laces now stashed

moneyistooshorttomention

Doveling wrote: »

They've done a report :rotfl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37987166

Should have saved their money and just asked us :rotfl:

Laces now stashed

....and got their language accurate.

I thought it was just the Daily Mail that referred to "households" as "families" (ie carefully forgetting about single person households and couples:mad:). I am just so tempted - each time I spot the word "families" wrongly used to write off to them and say "......oh good...I'm so glad that singles won't be affected by that".:cool:

GreyQueen

Doveling wrote: »

Boot and shoe laces. Just snapped a pair and don't have a spare pair for my boots.
That's just wiped the smug always prepared look off my face :rotfl:

Not at the stage of using baling twine like my Grandad so think a few pairs stashed away would not go amiss.:)

I can recall being a smug get when my bootlace snapped on a hiking trail in the middle of nowhere and I had a spare pair of laces.

What I know now is to lace boots with paracord, quick touch from a match or lighter flame to seal the cut ends and bob's yer uncle, pretty much indescructible bootlaces.

jk0

Have you guys been reading Zerohedge today about Australian currency? Someone put a link to this page:

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/cashless-debit-card

I can see why they would not wish benefit recipients to spend it on booze or gambling. However, sounds like the thin edge of the wedge to me.