THE Prepping thread - a new beginning :)

GreyQueen

Morning alll.

Of course, having your country with a compulsarily open door to tens of millions of people from 27 other countries (and from non-european countries which have historic relationships with some of them) isn't all beer, skittles and nice tradespeople.

A convo late last week:

GQ; (horrified at what she is hearing) What are they stealing?
Pal; (grimly) Everything that isn't nailed down.

That particular pal is a security officer for a major household name store chain with a branch in this city and most cities. The 'they' he was talking about are the gangs of Romanian shoplifters who descend on his employer's large retail establishment on a daily basis.

They catch a lot of them with a lot of goods secreted about their persons, or on their way out of the store to their cars on the store's car park. Police are called. Some of these individuals already have upwards of a dozen shoplifting convictions here in the UK. The Police believe the money raised from these thefts is funding organised crime back in countries including people-trafficking and drug-dealing.

We cannot send these people home and refuse to allow them back again because of EU rules. My pal and the rest of the security team do their level best every day to stop these folk stripping valuables from their employer's establishment.

BTW, you almost certainly shop in this chain of stores, and these losses are affecting how much you pay for your goods. You certainly pay council taxes somewhere, of which a proportion goes to the police in your area, who are spending time and money including buying in translation services, to deal with foriegn criminals.

No country needs criminals importing themselves into it; there are always enough home-grown examples. If you can't control your borders because of a blanket pre-permission to enter, you haven't got any kind of security.

mardatha

We've totally lost all commonsense. You can't survive long without it.. I wonder if we have dropped off that cliff and we just don't realise? Maybe we're falling through the air still stuck in the mindset we had before we fell off the edge!

moneyistooshorttomention

DigForVictory wrote: »

MITSTM - my echo chamber was industriously Remain & Hillary & so is reeling somewhat. "Make it look like an accident" is becoming a signoff/catchprase. Just as well we got the bonfire (& the effigy) burned when we did...

I've not heard that way of putting it before - ie "echo chamber". I think I shall adopt it:)

Re the "make it look like an accident" school of thought and the rioting against Trump in the US - I'm looking on in sheer disbelief and wondering when people forgot that our countries are democracies. The will of the majority prevails. Whatever our own personal viewpoint - the majority have decided that it is Brexit and Trump and therefore that is what will happen.

I don't understand this woman opposing Brexit and views on her boil down to "Who does she think she is? (polite version)". I don't understand people rioting against Trump and I've got a video lined-up to watch - as I understand one of the super-wealthy global elite (Soros in this case) are plotting to try and overturn the democratic vote. I have a nasty gut feeling that the US is about to effectively abolish democracy (ie am not counting on him actually coming to power - despite the fact he has been fair and square elected to the position).

VJsmum

greenbee wrote: »

We also thought this made some interesting points (BAD LANGUAGE WARNING)

I find Pie often hits the nail on the head...

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

the majority have decided that it is Brexit and Trump and therefore that is what will happen.

Hate to be picky (but i am going to be so obviously don't hate it that much ) but the majority didn't. Clinton won the popular vote, and it was the majority of those who voted, voted to leave (hate the term Brexit - when did that become an official "thing"?).

the majority, I think, accept the decision(s) even if they don't like it. i do anyway. As a law person (I hesitate to say lawyer, as i am not one officially), I applaud the High Court decision the other week and hope the Supreme Court goes the same way. I have never known a case where all 11 Lords sit - the highest i've known is 7 and that was to change law, not enforce it.

i am very afraid for the French, German and 7 (i think) other european elections next year. I fear that something is starting that cannot be undone easily and the consequences terrify me, I won't lie.

On a prepping front - I have started to restock a little, having let things run down.

Anyone seen "I, Daniel Blake"? Very sobering - please consider donating to the food bank - and include sanitary wear.

Doveling

I can breathe again

MrD has a definite job offer to start the beginning of January.
He finishes current job mid-December so is hoping for a quiet couple of weeks.

In his dreams :rotfl: I am preparing a list. A long list:rotfl:

Savings took a serious hit when the boiler packed up last week.
On the morning it was minus 4 :eek:
The plumber we trust said he could repair it but he would probably be back quite soon fixing other bits. So we bit the bullet and he fitted a new one for us.
We were still cosy with the woodburners but had to keep boiling the kettle for hot water for washing as shower running cold.
So that's another big job off the list but I would have preferred to have spent the money when MrD was firmly on the payroll.:(

Going to see I, Daniel Blake tomorrow.
Prepping continues and Christmassy bits are being added to the food bank donations. I always put a packet of biscuits in as I remember someone saying that things felt more normal if there was a biscuit to dunk. Sorry, can't remember who it was

Thinking about 1/2 tonsil this morning for some reason. Anybody heard from her in RL?

ivyleaf

Brilliant news Doveling! (about Mr Doveling's new job, not about the boiler!) :T
We need one as well, ours is one of apparently the only type of its age (approx 35 years) still working but I think it's mostly held together by limescale these days

Karmacat

Congratulations, Doveling, on the new boiler and DH's new job

As far as the current global atmosphere is concerned - I agree with VJsmum, about something big changing. Those of us who're older may not live to see the change completed, but things seem to be happening fast, so I'm assuming it will be upon us soon, whatever "it" is - no more welfare payments, defence spending doubled, whatever. It does make you think ...

thriftwizard

Pleased for you & your OH, Doveling!

And thirding VJsmum's unease; something very unpleasant has been let out of our collective subconscious, and I've a feeling it's being whipped into action by vested interests that we're hardly aware of...

moneyistooshorttomention

My congratulations also to Doveling on the job:j.

Re the "something big" changing in Society - change of the negative variety does feel like it's speeding up and, in some respects, going pell-mell.

I wonder how many of the old certainties will still be the case in 10 years time for instance. I was absolutely shocked re announcement in last week that some part of the NHS (in England) are having really severe cuts discussed. That being removal of A & E and maternity units (amongst other things) and a list was given of likely spots for this. I couldnt believe my eyes at some of the hospitals involved:eek::eek: - and then went on to see how that will be compounded by other nearby hospitals also having these cuts. Visions of having to drive a LOT of miles to find a working A & E or maternity unit to check oneself into. The possible cuts look so massive that it makes it all look very unworkable in fact.

I don't know what (if any) proposals there are for the rest of the country. I get very confused by talk of countrywide cuts - and read on to find they were only talking about England - so I can't tell re Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland and assume it's much the same for the rest of the country?

That's just one aspect where I wonder just how much longer we will have anything remotely resembling "normal" left. I can certainly think of others...

GreyQueen

Shame that the very tainted Hillary C got the nomination, frankly. The Democrats should have gone with Sanders. And stopped being so callous towards the many millions of their citizens who've been thrown under the bus economically. A big chunk of whom are so disenchanted that they're not even bothering to vote.

Countries like ours and the US have become deeply divided oligarchies, with obscene levels of wealth and a growing gap between the haves and the have nots. If you're in the latter category, and your industry has been destroyed, why would you welcome globilisation, transnational corporations paying s**t wages and almost no taxes, mass immigration? What is all that going to do except make your life harder and harder?

I consider myself left-ish, but RL is smacking me upside the head on a daily basis, and I think we've been taken for a ride by the EU, and the globalists and especially our own elite classes.

Welfare payments have kept a lid on social unrest for a long time now. Take away that, and the circuses, and watch things get ugly. I would be very surprised if Merkel stayed Chancellor and Le Pen didn't become Madame President.

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On a happier note, congratulations to Mr Doveling on his new job! Bet that's a weight off your minds. Hope your Christmas will be that much more enjoyable.