Tv Licencing Court Charge

Cornucopia

VisionMan wrote: »

Lol...

Its not dark in the sense and reality that the BBC won't have access to ones personal internet activities, they'll just have the IP address. Its ones own ISP which has that data.

I can see the Capita/TVL operatives interfering with computing equipment if they think they can get some commission out of it. Also, the new legislation has reversed the old computing equipment distinction, which may also affect things.

Capita are a mess (and a bunch of snakes), but will be less of a mess going forward.

In what way less of a mess?

I'm certainly keen to see what OFCOM will do with TVL when they take over regulation, but I'm not aware of any other changes.

FWIW, I object on practical, moral and/or legal grounds to virtually every aspect of TVL's operations and set-up. There is plenty of scope for reform...

VisionMan

Cornucopia wrote: »

I can see the Capita/TVL operatives interfering with computing equipment if they think they can get some commission out of it. Also, the new legislation has reversed the old computing equipment distinction, which may also affect things.

Thats pure paranoia and quite simply not true. They are not equipped to deal with such data and nor will they ever be.

Cornucopia wrote: »

FWIW, I object on practical, moral and/or legal grounds to virtually every aspect of TVL's operations and set-up. There is plenty of scope for reform...

OK.

Cornucopia

VisionMan wrote: »

Thats pure paranoia and quite simply not true. They are not equipped to deal with such data and nor will they ever be.

Perhaps it needs more words?

What I mean is that TVL operatives will inevitably start with a question about people's use of Computers, Phones, etc. From there, I would question what would happen next. If someone says: "Oh, no, I never watch iPlayer", would TVL just leave it at that? Or would at least some of the operatives be making suggestions that the householder should show them their browsing history, or maybe demonstrate that they have no BBC cookies?

As I said, the previous legislation recognised the limitations of computing devices as TV receivers, but the new legislation reverses that. That is unhelpful, and I do not understand the need to do it.

All in all, I would be very surprised if some TVL operatives were not "encouraging" people to give up their right to privacy on their computing equipment before too long. It may be against BBC policy, but that has not stopped TVL operatives in the past - the lure of the (inappropriate) commission policy is a fair bit stronger than its weak management structure can cope with. (Or perhaps it is designed that way?)

poppasmurf_bewdley

After reading this thread, it become quite evident to me that TV Licencing still has a lot of work to do to catch the fraudsters.

VisionMan

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

After reading this thread, it become quite evident to me that TV Licencing still has a lot of work to do to catch the fraudsters.

True, but this thread is only regarding the iPlayer. The TVL is going digital, and if they get it right, they'll be no running away from it. IF they get it right.

Cornucopia

VisionMan wrote: »

True, but this thread is only regarding the iPlayer. The TVL is going digital, and if they get it right, they'll be no running away from it. IF they get it right.

Not sure what you mean, there. It's clear that there will be no new enforcement technology. The only technical improvement that the BBC could make is to add a link between using iPlayer and having a Licence, which again I would applaud.

My knowledge of the BBC, though, suggests to me that they may well drag their feet on this practical solution. Quite a few members of the public seem to be opposed to it, too.

Cornucopia

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

After reading this thread, it become quite evident to me that TV Licencing still has a lot of work to do to catch the fraudsters.

AFAICT there has been no discussion of or by any "fraudsters", here.

The issue of catching TV Licence evaders is a complicated one, and one of the quirks is that it is not in Capita's interests to "catch" all possible evaders. Not that extracting a confession by fair means or foul is really "catching" them.

yvonne13_2

"If you only ever watch on demand programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on live TV".

I just checked and it says nothing on the web about getting your channels reset to make sure no channels were signalling. That makes no sence. Do they mean you have to pysically make sure channel 1 to 5 don't work before you're classed as TV licence free? Since when?

Cornucopia

yvonne13 wrote: »

"If you only ever watch on demand programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on live TV".

I just checked and it says nothing on the web about getting your channels reset to make sure no channels were signalling. That makes no sence. Do they mean you have to pysically make sure channel 1 to 5 don't work before you're classed as TV licence free? Since when?

You don't HAVE to "detune", but it is advisable, and on most modern TVs quite easy - just retune with no aerial connected and then leave the aerial unconnected.

It's not just Channels 1-5, though, it's all linear TV channels.

VisionMan

yvonne13 wrote: »

"If you only ever watch on demand programmes, you don’t need a TV Licence. On demand includes catch-up TV, streaming or downloading programmes after they’ve been shown on live TV, or programmes available online before being shown on live TV".

The law is going to change. From 1 September 2016 you'll need a TV Licence to watch or download BBC iPlayer programmes either on demand or catch up TV.

http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/foi-legal-framework-AB16

This change only applies to the BBC iPlayer.