Damn Chimney Support again..

Furts

ydrol2 wrote: »

At the risk for further criticism, I sense some deflecting here to make a point.

I clearly no nothing about the roofing trade nor building trade. That is not my profession. So I'm asking here.

southcoastrgi is saying that 'roofers are not the correct people to remove chimney stacks'.

But there are lots of roofers offering this service. "Clayridge Roofing" was just the result of a google. there are many more.

http://quotationcheck.com/remove-chimney-cost/ mentions they asked 'roofers'.

You are calling out one roofer for bad health & safety and bad roofing.
That doesnt really support the assertion that good roofers can't remove chimney stacks does it?

Am I being totally naive in assuming it requires more specialised skill to repair a roof than to remove visible chimney stack? (I guess I know your answer to that).

I understand the sentiment , ie. "dont employ a roofer to remove a chimney stack" - but I dont fully understand why not. (and not fully convinced by you calling out one dodgy example above - what about the others?). Forgive me for wanting to understand more first, rather than just go on internet hearsay.

Here's another - http://www.dlongroofing.com/our-services/chimney-stacks/

Are all these likely to not do the job correctly? Why does the 'quotationcheck web site get quotes from roofers. Is this an industry wide issue?

BTW I have 25 spare matching roof tiles from neighbouring roofs when they were recently replaced by council.

I picked up on your first link as a simple, obvious, common sense, response to illustrate where you are pitching your approach to getting work done. You show another link - but this only has a mobile number as a contact. The guy may be reputable, but this is an obvious first point to pick up on.

You have a duty to yourself and your neighbours, and to society in general to employ competent people, You have to vet, to check and to reassure yourself whoever you engage will fulfill this. You also have a duty to yourself and your neighbour to inspect, check, and sign off all works as being satisfactory.

The key word is competence. If a roofer is competent to remove a stack then fine. As a typical rule of thumb a roofer does roofing and a bricklayer does work to chimneys. This bricklayer may also be deemed a builder depending on competence. I say this because it is easy to define a bricklayer, but how does one define what a builder is? A builder is a generic term and not a trade.

To give an example, I am meeting a contractor this morning. I have never used them before. I will hold a conversation to establish if they are competent. I am not using Checkatrade or anything similar. I am being proactive and savvy. This is what you should be doing.

ydrol2

Thank you. Your reply IS appreciated. I'll consider the points you raised. My neighbour and his son in law are both are both tradesman (can remember exact discipline), and they have recommended someone to me that they know personally for many years. If their quote is comparable to others I'm sourcing, then using their own recommendation should be a win-win - I get a recommended tradesman , they get someone they are comfortable with.

I'll have the conversation regarding competence and experience, possibly with neighbour present too. Then have a discussion with neighbour afterwards before going ahead.

I'm hoping they wouldn't do work on their mates father-in-law's house that is outside of their comfort zone. But I guess the main thing is not to just 'hope'!

Furts

ydrol2 wrote: »

Thank you. Your reply IS appreciated. I'll consider the points you raised. My neighbour and his son in law are both are both tradesman (can remember exact discipline), and they have recommended someone to me that they know personally for many years. If their quote is comparable to others I'm sourcing, then using their own recommendation should be a win-win - I get a recommended tradesman , they get someone they are comfortable with.

I'll have the conversation regarding competence and experience, possibly with neighbour present too. Then have a discussion with neighbour afterwards before going ahead.

I'm hoping they wouldn't do work on their mates father-in-law's house that is outside of their comfort zone. But I guess the main thing is not to just 'hope'!

To give a heads up a chimney removal done safely is not a quick, cheap option. Obviously I have not seen your chimney to know details but think through the following...scaffolding £1000, labour of two man days £500, skip £300, materials £100, perhaps VAT, profit say £500+. I doubt you will see a quote less than £2500 in London.

An aluminium tower scaffold could bring down the costs, as could you disposing of the debris.

stone7

Furts wrote: »

To give a heads up a chimney removal done safely is not a quick, cheap option. Obviously I have not seen your chimney to know details but think through the following...scaffolding £1000, labour of two man days £500, skip £300, materials £100, perhaps VAT, profit say £500+. I doubt you will see a quote less than £2500 in London.

An aluminium tower scaffold could bring down the costs, as could you disposing of the debris.

You can't just stick £500 on the quote and call it profit, you mentalist.:rotfl:

Furts

stone7 wrote: »

You can't just stick £500 on the quote and call it profit, you mentalist.:rotfl:

Of course you can. How else do you expect a price to be given to a consumer?

Every business decides what mark up it require. This is a typical way a trades person will quote.