Successful PIP appeal for mentally impaired friend - from 0 to 29 points !

sangie595

PHILANTHROPIST wrote: »

I will report my findings solely to the Benefits and Work website (an excellent site for work and benefits that chrges a nominal annual fee).

Prothet_of_Doom wrote: »

Just do it. If you can help ONE person, then there will have been a reason for your original post.

I think we have already established that that is not going to happen. The poster has no interest in helping people on the boards where their advice can be seen.

OP, please give it a few hours, and there will be more than a few very experienced advisors who can begin to give you some help and advice, and will be happy to do so in the open, where others can check the quality of what they are saying. There are some great people on here, and I've learned an awful lot about benefits from them. But stay on the boards - you don't need to pay anything to get advice here; and PM's can also be abused by people away from the scrutiny of others. (Sorry Prothet of Doom - that wasn't a comment aimed at your kind offer. I'm sure you will understand what I mean when I say that PM's can be open to abuse)

NeilCr

Over_Here wrote: »

Yes, paper based. I can't face going in person. CPN has wrote a report as has psych so forwarded to Tribunal people in Liverpool.

Would you be able to go if you were accompanied and/or had someone to represent you? In general face to face tribunals have a better chance of success than paper ones

dippy3103

PHILANTHROPIST wrote: »

Sorry to hear about that. I found the Tribunal to be very reasonable and understanding. When you say "appealing on paper"; do you mean that you do not plan to attend in person ?

P.S - I have just read some of the abusive remarks made above. re the original post. I would have been happy to catalogue the pro bono assistance I provided, but the small minded nature of a few members put me off.

Surely the place to help people that are struggling with benefits (so very likely to have money worries) is on a resource that is free and accessible to all. That would be the actions of a true philanthropist


Sorry if you perceive that to be abusive...

Pollycat

PHILANTHROPIST wrote: »

P.S - I have just read some of the abusive remarks made above. re the original post. I would have been happy to catalogue the pro bono assistance I provided, but the small minded nature of a few members put me off.

So why didn't you 'catalogue the pro bono assistance' that you provided in your first post?

sangie595

Pollycat wrote: »

So why didn't you 'catalogue the pro bono assistance' that you provided in your first post?

Because it would be equally lacking in any proof? After I won my Nobel Prize I donated the prize money to the poor. Honest...

teddysmum

Why have the mods not queried the content of this thread, as , surely, someone reported it ?

dippy3103

teddysmum wrote: »

Why have the mods not queried the content of this thread, as , surely, someone reported it ?

Good point well made

densol_2

Over_Here wrote: »

Yes, paper based. I can't face going in person. CPN has wrote a report as has psych so forwarded to Tribunal people in Liverpool.

Over Here - I won a paper based Tribunal. I too could never have attended. I mean if we are capable of facing a tribunal like that, then how can we be that ill ? I said in a letter ( very nicely ) that i would rather lose than attend as I couldnt risk further self harm.

Make sure you 'speak' through the papers, sending as much medical evidence as you have and explaining how your condition prevents you from undertaking the actions in the descriptors and what care needs you have. Good luck

Alice_Holt

Over Here - This may be helpful:
http://www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-win-pip-appeal

Relevant medical evidence will be very important for a paper hearing, and you should send a statement outlining how your poor mental / physical health prevents you performing the PIP activities reliably.

The activities,descriptors and points are here:
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

Have a careful look through and identify which ones get you to the necessary 8 / 12 points.
For Daily Living it might be:

Needs prompting to be able to either prepare or cook a simple meal. 2 points.

supervision, prompting or assistance to be able to manage medication or monitor
a health condition. 1 point.

Needs supervision or prompting to be able to wash or bathe. 2 points

prompting to be able to dress, undress or determine appropriate circumstances for remaining clothed; or
(ii) prompting or assistance to be able to select appropriate clothing. 2 points.

Needs social support to be able to engage with other people. 4 points.

Needs prompting or assistance to be able to make complex budgeting decisions. 2 points.

Get evidence from your CPN, Mental Health Service, GP, carer, family and friends detailing your difficulties with the relevant activities / descriptors.

You could back up your statement with a (brief) diary / notes showing the tribunal a typical week / month, and the help you need with the relevant descriptors.

Reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and safely
An individual must be able to complete an activity descriptor reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and safely; and where indicated, using aids and appliances or with support from another person. Otherwise they should be considered unable to complete the activity described at that level.

It's important to get as much relevant and concise evidence to the tribunal which supports your appeal.

However., as Neil says you will have a better chance of success if you can get to the tribunal and explain in person about your day-to-day life, and how your condition affects the PIP descriptors.

Can you get help from your local CAB / MIND / Advocacy support ?

Give the tribunal service a ring, and explain the difficulties for you with a face to face hearing.
In (very) rare circumstance the tribunal may be able to conduct a telephone hearing so you don't need to leave your house.



I've posted details about the PIP appeal process on this thread:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5490905

Hopefully it may be of use.

Another source of very useful help is:
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-appeals
and
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/mandatory-reconsideration/
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf

Good Luck.

I have also recently posted on https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5521997
some detailed posts which may be useful in your situation.

Pollycat

Alice_Holt wrote: »

Over Here - This may be helpful:
http://www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-win-pip-appeal

Relevant medical evidence will be very important for a paper hearing, and you should send a statement outlining how your poor mental / physical health prevents you performing the PIP activities reliably.

The activities,descriptors and points are here:
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system

Have a careful look through and identify which ones get you to the necessary 8 / 12 points.
For Daily Living it might be:

Needs prompting to be able to either prepare or cook a simple meal. 2 points.

supervision, prompting or assistance to be able to manage medication or monitor
a health condition. 1 point.

Needs supervision or prompting to be able to wash or bathe. 2 points

prompting to be able to dress, undress or determine appropriate circumstances for remaining clothed; or
(ii) prompting or assistance to be able to select appropriate clothing. 2 points.

Needs social support to be able to engage with other people. 4 points.

Needs prompting or assistance to be able to make complex budgeting decisions. 2 points.

Get evidence from your CPN, Mental Health Service, GP, carer, family and friends detailing your difficulties with the relevant activities / descriptors.

You could back up your statement with a (brief) diary / notes showing the tribunal a typical week / month, and the help you need with the relevant descriptors.

Reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and safely
An individual must be able to complete an activity descriptor reliably, in a timely fashion, repeatedly and safely; and where indicated, using aids and appliances or with support from another person. Otherwise they should be considered unable to complete the activity described at that level.

It's important to get as much relevant and concise evidence to the tribunal which supports your appeal.

However., as Neil says you will have a better chance of success if you can get to the tribunal and explain in person about your day-to-day life, and how your condition affects the PIP descriptors.

Can you get help from your local CAB / MIND / Advocacy support ?

Give the tribunal service a ring, and explain the difficulties for you with a face to face hearing.
In (very) rare circumstance the tribunal may be able to conduct a telephone hearing so you don't need to leave your house.



I've posted details about the PIP appeal process on this thread:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5490905

Hopefully it may be of use.

Another source of very useful help is:
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-appeals
and
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/mandatory-reconsideration/
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf

Good Luck.

I have also recently posted on https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5521997
some detailed posts which may be useful in your situation.

Great post & great links, Alice.

Now that's what I call being helpful. :T

Not all this 'cloak & dagger' "contact me if you want help" stuff that the OP seems to think is appropriate.