Forget about Brexit - what if we Remain?

Money_saving_maniac

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

It has been repeated ad nauseam, but apparently still not enough:

Turkey is not in the EU, Turkey does not meet the criteria to join the EU, and Turkey would require the approval of all EU member states to join.
Visa-free travel to the UK would also require approval of the UK government, irrespective of whether we stay or leave the EU as this is a matter of government policy, not EU policy.

Talking about Turkey in this referendum is scaremongering, and frankly, quite a disgraceful tactic.

By the way, you did see that Cameron avoided saying that UK would veto Turkey?
Nobody is going to veto Turkey because it is part of the geopolitical plan for the EU to include Turkey.
Turkey is now being fast tracked to join by Merkel, it's been all over the papers, did you not read it?

mrginge

Kynthia wrote: »

The EU buys 44% of our exports and we only buy 5% of theirs. When tariffs are imposed it will hurt us a lot more than it will hurt them. We need them more as a customer than they need us, and when that 5% of good becomes more expensive it will hit ordinary householders and when less people buy our more expensive goods our business will shed jobs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060

Your logic sounds reasonable, but not when you put it next the actual things that people who matter are saying.

Miss_Samantha

Money_saving_maniac wrote: »

By the way, you did see that Cameron avoided saying that UK would veto Turkey?
Nobody is going to veto Turkey because it is part of the geopolitical plan for the EU to include Turkey.
Turkey is now being fast tracked to join by Merkel, it's been all over the papers, did you not read it?

Stop the nonsense, please.
You are replying to my previous post, so presumably you now know the facts.

mrginge wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36596060

Your logic sounds reasonable, but not when you put it next the actual things that people who matter are saying.

Leaving aside that this article only report the position of one lobby group, his does not state the key point:
No barriers to trade, which would indeed hurt everyone though us more, means that the UK remains in the common market (EEA) or enter into a similar arrangement.

This means essentially the same situation as now but without any say in Brussel. Why would we want to leave the EU to end up in such a situation?

You need to think in terms of the overall position, not just individual aspects.

mrginge

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

Leaving aside that this article only report the position of one lobby group, his does not state the key point:
No barriers to trade, which would indeed hurt everyone though us more, means that the UK remains in the common market (EEA) or enter into a similar arrangement.

This means essentially the same situation as now but without any say in Brussel. Why would we want to leave the EU to end up in such a situation?

You need to think in terms of the overall position, not just individual aspects.

Well, a 'similar arrangement' is not the same is it. it is 'similar'. Please keep up.

And why would we want to have a say with what Brussels do when they don't have any say over us?

You really are clutching at imaginary straws here.
Anyway this debate is over. Regardless of the result tonight it is the next six months or so that will actually shape the longer term future.

Miss_Samantha

mrginge wrote: »

Well, a 'similar arrangement' is not the same is it. it is 'similar'. Please keep up.

:rotfl::rotfl::T

DaftyDuck

I pity the internet if it is an absolute exact dead-heat...

Returning Officer:

"...... , twenty eight thousand four hundred and forty seven, and Remain: twenty four million, twenty eight thousand four hundred and forty seven..... Now everybody just f off and get over it"...... stomps off stage, screws paper up, chucks it at bin 100 feet away, lands it perfectly... Slams door on leaving...


Entire Population:

"Oh, it's a draw.. Well played you lot; rematch in thirty years, let's just get on with it all in the meantime. But, well played chaps, well played..." {followed by civilised, quiet applause, a few gentle handshakes, cups of tea and cake, and conversation about the weather, gardening, even tennis..... best leave footie for now 'though.....}

moneyistooshorttomention

Do we still do quiet/civilised "Oh well-played old chap(ess)" in this country Dafty?

I sorta have the feeling that that went out of fashion a few decades back - and I dont see that happening personally (whichever way the vote goes).

DaftyDuck

We do over here! There's a tea & barbecue in the village Saturday, with a promise that all campaign posters and signs will be removed by lunchtime. There will be a fine box for any EUrguing (funds to the OAP teas). As a village, we have had enough. More than!

Given the village is small, and almost civilised enough to have no posters, that's not too difficult!

solidpro

And how many UK citizens live in the EU?

1.2million British live within the EU but not in the United Kingdom.

Samsonite1

One thing that amused me is that some of the "Leave" campaign leaflets were confused about which side they were supporting.

One "Leave" leaflet through my door had a fact/statement that read: "Britain has the fastest-growing economy in Europe." and then went on to say that leaving could protect this. But as this was achieved while being members of the EU, they are almost suggesting the possibility that leaving could derail the economy, essentially saying that "if we leave, it could be better or worse".

Also, ex-England footballer Sol Campbell uses similar logic to support "Leave" by saying: "If we want to see more English stars like Harry Kane rise through the ranks we should take back control – and Vote Leave." - again, Harry Kane rose through the ranks while we have been members of the EU - not really sure what he is getting at.

Maybe they would have been wiser not to point towards recent successes that were achieved while being a member of the EU. Maybe come up with something else.