Forget about Brexit - what if we Remain?

AlistairM

Davesnave wrote: »

I didn't wish to imply building without corresponding infrastructure.

However, we know continuity in planning isn't always great. We can't even seem to keep builds out of places of future flood risk, for example.

I'm not sure your concept of a village is the same as mine. My village has a much lower population than it had 100 years ago and it's long lost its school., PO etc. Upping the population by around 8% isn't generally opposed here, and there are no traffic jams likely, but it is only a temporary fix. A much wider vision is really called-for.

I think it varies depending on where you are in the UK and personal expeirance. I live in a village called Brantham, which is next to Manningtree (smallest town in the UK). It was just approved to build 300+ new homes here including on our greenfield space but there's nothing being done to the infrastructure and Brantham will end up bigger than Manningtree. You can read about it here http://www.branthamhogs.co.uk/ if you're interested.

I think we generally agree though. More houses and infrastructure need to be built. The cost of living will be the next crisis we hit, if we're not already in it.

mwpt

teddysmum wrote: »

So a small number of 'paying' countries can keep a larger and ever increasing number of 'payee' countries , with several 'payees' and no more 'payers' in the queue to join in?

Works in the UK.

mrginge

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

As said, a country must have the approval of all existing members in order to join.

So when you write 'the EU' ignored the rules, you actually mean each and every members, including the UK, ignored the rules.

For everything in the EU the buck actually stops with national governments.

Throughout the credit crisis France had a smaller deficit than we did. So...

Ah, so if we follow your logic from earlier that immigration has been good for the country (which I do not necessarily disagree with) therefore it will continue to be equally good in the future (which I do disagree with)

Then we can also safely say that the EU members failing to enforce their rules in the past (which we both agree on) will therefore lead to them ignoring their rules in the future.

hazyjo

I think that the market will be flooded with properties if we remain. Loads are hanging on until after the referendum.


Mind you, I think once people realise the sky hasn't fallen in if we exit, they'll still all be putting their properties on the market.


Speculation - marvellous. Nobody knows...


Jx

Miss_Samantha

mrginge wrote: »

Ah, so if we follow your logic from earlier that immigration has been good for the country (which I do not necessarily disagree with) therefore it will continue to be equally good in the future (which I do disagree with)

The same causes lead to the same effects. Immigration will continue to be good for the economy (but as I wrote there are other aspects you can look at).
One key aspect of immigration to keep in mind is that people come here to fill jobs. The economy goes well and create jobs, this attracts more people, this makes the economy expands further, and so on.
Just look at statistics, immigration dips when the economy dips. People do not come if they know that there aren't any jobs.

mrginge wrote: »

Then we can also safely say that the EU members failing to enforce their rules in the past (which we both agree on) will therefore lead to them ignoring their rules in the future.

Why do you continue to avoid writing "UK government" instead of "EU members"?

Nobbie1967

AlistairM wrote: »

I'm not saying leavers are racist, but all racists will vote exit.

How ridiculous, there are plenty of racists that will vote remain in the hope that a more deeply integrated EU will keep the dark foreigners out, but still provide plenty of cheap Eastern Europeans to do their menial tasks.

societys_child

AlistairM wrote: »

Right now the UK can veto any changes that affect would "close the loophole"

If you believe that, you're the one wearing the rose tinted specs.

if we leave and try and re-enter the EU we don't have that, and we have to submit to everything, and lose the pound.

Why on earth would we want to do that?

You're absolutely right things wont stay the same for ever inside the EU. The world changes, that's life.

More EU rules, more EU regulation

I believe we're safer with the EU support than just being by ourselves.

I don't. EU support? Wars were fought to protect the UK, this is take-over by stealth You've still got those specs on haven' you[/QUOTE]

If you want to carry on trading with the EU then we'll have to pay duties on it, if we want to avoid that we have to allow free movement.
After all that if we outperform the EUs industry then they'll slap a minimum import duty on our goods so we're not. If we even want to sell to the EU we still have to comply with everything that the EU already makes us do because its a requirement.

We're a net importer, do you really believe they won't want to trade with us any-more? You've fallen for the BS.

Things are going well now. Why risk everything now. We've got experts and allies all saying its a bad idea. I just don't understand why we're risking everything on a vague hope on a return to a rose-tined vision of an independent UK that never happened

"experts" lol, do you mean people with a vested interest?

AlistairM wrote: »

I wont get into a straw man argument with you. Trade relationships are handled by governments and so is diplomacy, that's doubly so of a dictatorship.

Which is what a remain vote will give us.

A racist is a person wouldn't be voting us out of the EU.

I can't work out what that means?

I'm not saying leavers are racist, but all racists will vote exit.

When you're losing, play the racist card . . . that just made any debate with you pointless.

You vote your way, leave others to decide for themselves. bye

Miss_Samantha

Is it even arguable that all the racists can't wait to cast a 'leave' ballot?

societys_child wrote: »

We're a net importer, do you really believe they won't want to trade with us any-more? You've fallen for the BS."experts" lol, do you mean people with a vested interest?

Being a net importer means we need foreign goods. Making trade more difficult will therefore hurt us.

hazyjo

Being able to discuss immigration and the associated problems (we obviously live in very different areas, btw!!!!) does NOT make someone racist.


As others have said, that argument is partly what is losing the Remain Camp votes! Very very shallow.


Jx

Miss_Samantha

I don't think that it has been claimed that discussing immigration makes someone a racist.

The issue is that immigration hasn't been discussed, it has been used as a scapegoat.