Police have forced entry.

FBaby

Unless you are a LL, or acting as one on behalf of someone, it is hard to understand the stress that comes with it. Being a landlord is not fun and most do it for only one reason, the money. For many, this is equating greed, for some, they understand that it is no different to many other investment that don't raise an eyebrow, similar to paying into a private pension.

As such, LL will look at their own interest in the business before they consider their 'social duties'. The latter is all fine if it doesn't end up affecting your financial position and mental well-being.

Seven, if I was in your position, I wouldn't renew the lease, just let it roll out so that if you find out that there was indeed illegal business going on, you can just give 2 months notice?

missbiggles1

FBaby wrote: »

Unless you are a LL, or acting as one on behalf of someone, it is hard to understand the stress that comes with it. Being a landlord is not fun and most do it for only one reason, the money. For many, this is equating greed, for some, they understand that it is no different to many other investment that don't raise an eyebrow, similar to paying into a private pension.

As such, LL will look at their own interest in the business before they consider their 'social duties'. The latter is all fine if it doesn't end up affecting your financial position and mental well-being.

Seven, if I was in your position, I wouldn't renew the lease, just let it roll out so that if you find out that there was indeed illegal business going on, you can just give 2 months notice?

Which is why I suggested there was no reason to get rid of a tenant who pays regularly and looks after the place. Unfortunately, some people wanted to put their prejudices ahead of this vital aspect.

I have actually had a BTL where one of my student tenants was imprisoned for drug dealing and I did give notice, but only after he was prosecuted and went to prison for several months so my comments were based on experience as well as ethics.

seven-day-weekend

FBaby wrote: »

Unless you are a LL, or acting as one on behalf of someone, it is hard to understand the stress that comes with it. Being a landlord is not fun and most do it for only one reason, the money. For many, this is equating greed, for some, they understand that it is no different to many other investment that don't raise an eyebrow, similar to paying into a private pension.

As such, LL will look at their own interest in the business before they consider their 'social duties'. The latter is all fine if it doesn't end up affecting your financial position and mental well-being.

Seven, if I was in your position, I wouldn't renew the lease, just let it roll out so that if you find out that there was indeed illegal business going on, you can just give 2 months notice?

Thank you for those sensible words.

The underlined is indeed my choice, but my husband and son are of the opinion that 'he has brought trouble to the door' and should go. You do not have forced entry and get arrested (the policeman told us he would be on bail) for nothing. Due to his presence in our flat, it now has gone from being immaculate to having a broken front security door which will need to be replaced./


We are going to ring our agent this morning to see if they have any advice for us, then will make our decision.

I do not want to make anyone homeless, but this is an £85k investment that I have to look after and I am not a social housing provider.

moneyistooshorttomention

I wouldnt agree that its prejudice to get rid of this tenant.

As in all things in life - be it accommodation, jobs or whatever else - why should a wrongdoer have-whatever-it-is when there is an honest person nearby that needs it and would be glad of it?

Why on earth would anyone allow a dishonest person to have rented accommodation/a job/whatever when there is an honest person "queueing" for it?

missbiggles1

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

I wouldnt agree that its prejudice to get rid of this tenant.

As in all things in life - be it accommodation, jobs or whatever else - why should a wrongdoer have-whatever-it-is when there is an honest person nearby that needs it and would be glad of it?

Why on earth would anyone allow a dishonest person to have rented accommodation/a job/whatever when there is an honest person "queueing" for it?

It's interesting you've brought the question of jobs into this because I had been going to post questioning how many people here would have sacked this guy if they were his employer rather than his landlord. Fortunately, we have laws to protect people from this in the workplace which we don't in the field of letting.

I would also question your use of the word "honest" in this context which seems inappropriate here. In fact, I used it myself when suggesting that an honest tenant didn't equate to a good tenant.

Anyway, at the moment, this guy is as "honest" as you or me and definitely as innocent which is the most important thing to remember.

Lunchbox

Please don't listen to those using emotive language and telling you that you're 'making someone homeless'. The tenant has a one year contract and you're under no obligation to renew that contract. I said it before, but if I was a neighbour I'd be very glad the landlord wasn't tolerating antisocial/illegal behaviour.

seven-day-weekend

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Which is why I suggested there was no reason to get rid of a tenant who pays regularly and looks after the place. Unfortunately, some people wanted to put their prejudices ahead of this vital aspect.

I have actually had a BTL where one of my student tenants was imprisoned for drug dealing and I did give notice, but only after he was prosecuted and went to prison for several months so my comments were based on experience as well as ethics.

We have not yet decided what to do. I have a different opinion to my husband and son. We will decide today after speaking to the agent. ( In the event of disagreement, we will go with the majority decision, but we will probably come to an agreement, we usually do).

However all three of us are merely trying to do the 'right' thing, for both us and the tenant. We do have to think of our investment, and I did say to my husband that we could get a tenant who didn't pay the rent and thrashed the flat. (But not be a drug dealer - and I know that nothing has been proven yet).

We will decide later and I'm sorry you think that I am being prejudiced. I have been awake mulling over what is right and what is wrong here.

missbiggles1

Lunchbox wrote: »

Please don't listen to those using emotive language and telling you that you're 'making someone homeless'. The tenant has a one year contract and you're under no obligation to renew that contract. I said it before, but if I was a neighbour I'd be very glad the landlord wasn't tolerating antisocial/illegal behaviour.

As I said before, there's no evidence that the tenant is doing anything of the kind - if he were, that would be a different matter.

anselld

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Anyway, at the moment, this guy is as "honest" as you or me and definitely as innocent which is the most important thing to remember.

He is currently *presumed* innocent. He may or may not *be* innocent.

Issuing s21 is entirely consistent with a presumption of innocence as would be suspension pending investigation in the employment scenario.

seven-day-weekend

missbiggles1 wrote: »

It's interesting you've brought the question of jobs into this because I had been going to post questioning how many people here would have sacked this guy if they were his employer rather than his landlord. Fortunately, we have laws to protect people from this in the workplace which we don't in the field of letting.

I would also question your use of the word "honest" in this context which seems inappropriate here. In fact, I used it myself when suggesting that an honest tenant didn't equate to a good tenant.

Anyway, at the moment, this guy is as "honest" as you or me and definitely as innocent which is the most important thing to remember.

But the guy doesn't live in the employer's flat! I don't think this is comparable at all.