IN/OUT Trump card time...

Kohoutek

BobQ wrote: »

So will the other 95% be free from regulation after a Brexit? A Brexit businessman said today that we would be able to rid them of the workingtime directive and the agency workers rules. How else will these firms be helped?

The point about the working time directive is just silly (for the private sector, anyway). If you are an employer, all you need to do is give your staff a contract where they agree to opt-out (this is what my contact says).

HornetSaver

wotsthat wrote: »

Both campaigns have been depressingly poor - I find it hard to believe either side are saving their best stuff for next week.

Depends on what you mean by "best". It's depressing to think that we have had the substance of the debate already, but undoubtedly we have. The next few days are going to be purely a case of "immigration" and "would you vote to join" vs "economic stability" and "better to negotiate rules within than abide by them from the sidelines"

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Less than 5% of UK companies trade with the EU.

I'd be very surprised if that figure is true. For example, any building firm that uses cement is likely to be buying from LaFarge or HeidelbergCement. Restaurants and caf!s will almost certainly use food from Europe (almost all tinned tomatoes come from Italy for example). Most pubs and off licences will sell French wine or German beer. Ultimately pretty much every business uses electricity and the UK is a net importer of electricity from Europe so arguably any business that uses a phone or a light bulb is trading with Europe.

I'd be very surprised if the number of businesses not using European anything is significantly higher than 0.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if that figure is true. For example, any building firm that uses cement is likely to be buying from LaFarge or HeidelbergCement. Restaurants and caf!s will almost certainly use food from Europe (almost all tinned tomatoes come from Italy for example). Most pubs and off licences will sell French wine or German beer. Ultimately pretty much every business uses electricity and the UK is a net importer of electricity from Europe so arguably any business that uses a phone or a light bulb is trading with Europe.

I'd be very surprised if the number of businesses not using European anything is significantly higher than 0.

However the comment you replied to was about companies trading with the eu not about whether there was some eu input into their supply chain which would seem to be a different thing?

System

Kohoutek wrote: »

Please read what the remain campaign has to say about the 350 million figure. In short, it is not the full picture.

Why isn't there some kind of rule about lying for this kind of thing? The 350 million pound lie has been the cornerstone of the Leave campaign

michaels

HornetSaver wrote: »

Depends on what you mean by "best". It's depressing to think that we have had the substance of the debate already, but undoubtedly we have. The next few days are going to be purely a case of "immigration" and "would you vote to join" vs "economic stability" and "better to negotiate rules within than abide by them from the sidelines"

It is hard for remain as the future under remain is not what the majority want so instead they have to focus their campaign on how the future under leave would be worse.
Leave last week tried to paint a picture of what the first 4 years under leave would look like but the media ignored it.

gfplux

michaels wrote: »

I dread to think what would happen to gdp per head in Luxembourg if Brexit weere followed by the unravelling of the EU....

Interesting. However the unraveling will start at the edges. Perhaps down to just the users of the Euro. Further shrinking might lead to just the original members, which included Luxembourg.
Even then it still will take a long time for all the large company's based in Luxembourg to move on to their next destination probably in Asia.

gfplux

michaels wrote: »

Sounds like they would need to be earning in the top quintile in the UK not to be a net drain on the exchequer with that dependency ratio...but of course net migration increases gdpso politicians are happy and it is only individuals who care about gdp per head.

I am sure you know there are plenty of high earners from the EU living with their family's and working in the UK. So I don't know why you would say that.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

However the comment you replied to was about companies trading with the eu not about whether there was some eu input into their supply chain which would seem to be a different thing?

If I buy something from the EU surely I'm trading with it...?

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Indeed.

I doubt gfxplus knows what the ONS is from over in Luxembourg.

I thought politicians were clever enough to address the concerns of people.

It really doesn't matter on the precise numbers.

If you ask people to break down their concerns over migration then you can address those issues. Remain seem unable to face the issue head on.

Strangely I do know of the ONS.
What is strange that no one has linked to the where that figure comes from.
Please prove to me that it is not nonsense.
77000 RECENT ARRIVALS.
perhaps also define recent.

Oh and believe me it does matter the precise numbers particularly when someone "throws" 77000 on the table. Perhaps it comes from the department of "a man in a pub told me"