IN/OUT Trump card time...

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

I thought you guys were all for opening up the UK to all sorts, not just white racist Europeans?

many brexiters wish to treat and trade will all 'sorts' on an equal basis: it is the 'remainers' than want to discriminate in favour of the peoples of white christian european countries .
one wonders why

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

many brexiters wish to treat and trade will all 'sorts' on an equal basis: it is the 'remainers' than want to discriminate in favour of the peoples of white christian european countries .
one wonders why

Probably because the Brexiters' view is a fantasy.

Kim_kim

I've always been a remain.

But I thought the NHS ad tonight was very powerful.

350 million a week to the EU = 1 hospital a week

It's the only thing that made me think "am I right to vote remain?".

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

Probably because the Brexiters' view is a fantasy.

why do you think treating (and trading ) all the people of the world on an equal basis, is a fantasy?

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

why do you think treating (and trading ) all the people of the world on an equal basis, is a fantasy?

Well fundamentally because we would achieve that better by staying in the EU:

1. Our biggest trading partner is the EU. We will not get a better trading deal with the EU by leaving the EU.

2. As a member of the EU (a market of 500 million people), we benefit from around 80 trade agreements between the EU and non-EU countries. The EU is currently negotiating trade deals with the US, Japan, India, Brazil and others. We will not have greater bargaining power as a market of 64 million people than a market of 500 million.

3. Because of being a member of the EU since 1973, the UK only has a very small team of trade negotiators (around 25 people). We would need hugely increase this if we left the EU, which would mean that trade deals would not agreed soon (quite apart from the fact that most trade deals take at least 5 years to negotiate).

Kohoutek

Kim_kim wrote: »

I've always been a remain.

But I thought the NHS ad tonight was very powerful.

350 million a week to the EU = 1 hospital a week

It's the only thing that made me think "am I right to vote remain?".

Please read what the remain campaign has to say about the 350 million figure. In short, it is not the full picture.

Thrugelmir

Kohoutek wrote: »

2. As a member of the EU (a market of 500 million people), we benefit from around 80 trade agreements between the EU and non-EU countries. The EU is currently negotiating trade deals with the US, Japan, India, Brazil and others. We will not have greater bargaining power as a market of 64 million people than a market of 500 million.

Less than 5% of UK companies trade with the EU. Exclude multi nationals etc and the core left is very small. Ex head of the CBI Digby Jones has spoken on how difficult it is to break into local markets. Protectionism is rife. While people wish to export they make life extremely difficult to import. Many overseas entities are state controlled so in essence like to protect their work forces. Far from an open playing field. Can't blame them. The US is very similar. Consumers like to buy home produced goods or services where ever possible.

Nor can every country export. Simply impossible.

BobQ

Kim_kim wrote: »

I've always been a remain.

But I thought the NHS ad tonight was very powerful.

350 million a week to the EU = 1 hospital a week

It's the only thing that made me think "am I right to vote remain?".

But it is not £350m. We pay a net £240m. So where is the other £110m coming from? That is £5b a year.

Also its promised to loads of different things.

Also the cost of leaving is not zero, we will have to spend more on doing border checks and customs checks and creating our own standards and managing all those trade deals we will be negotiating........

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Less than 5% of UK companies trade with the EU. Exclude multi nationals etc and the core left is very small. Ex head of the CBI Digby Jones has spoken on how difficult it is to break into local markets. Protectionism is rife. While people wish to export they make life extremely difficult to import. Many overseas entities are state controlled so in essence like to protect their work forces. Far from an open playing field. Can't blame them. The US is very similar. Consumers like to buy home produced goods or services where ever possible.

Nor can every country export. Simply impossible.

So will the other 95% be free from regulation after a Brexit? A Brexit businessman said today that we would be able to rid them of the workingtime directive and the agency workers rules. How else will these firms be helped?

Kohoutek

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Less than 5% of UK companies trade with the EU. Exclude multi nationals etc and the core left is very small.

Hardly surprising given that 99% of UK companies are small businesses (although "less than 5%" appears to be wrong based on a quick search). I would imagine that an even smaller percentage trade with the US, China, Japan etc.