Advice on family moving in

ManofLeisure_2

zagubov wrote: »

I'd be very wary of this.
There's a saying that "no good deed goes unpunished" which may apply here but I hope it doesn't.

Crikey, if we all thought that way, what a miserable world it would be.

Lioness_Twinkletoes

You may consider me harsh; that's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to hold it. However, I am telling as I see it.

• You have a two bed home. At best, it is a two bed, four person home. At worst, a two bed, three person home.
• You are inviting a further 4 people to live within this home. Live. Not stay. Not visit. Live. For an undetermined length of time. They're not guests.
• This makes five people in a two bed home. Therefore, it's overcrowded.
• You stay away 'a lot'. Presumably, this means that the parents and the children will have the two bedrooms.
• Your family are not intending to transfer any bills or documents to your home. Therefore, they are hiding the fact that they live with you.

To me, this screams of sub letting - which I am certain is not permitted under the terms of your tenancy.

However, if you are that confident that you are doing no wrong why not write or e-mail your landlord and outline exactly what you're intending to do? Write to your housing officer, not a nameless receptionist, who probably didn't have all the facts. Give them the names of your family, details of when they've be moving in and roughly how long they intend to live with you. If the landlord is happy they'll write and let you know. Then you'll have written confirmation. Take all the uncertainty out of the situation. If they're not happy then the plan will have to be called off. But at least you won't have risked your tenancy.

I bet you won't though - because deep down you think you're doing something wrong. So you'd rather rely on strangers on a forum to confirm that your plan will work. Personally, I'd want to be sure that I wasn't risking my home - you have a very rare resource in a two bedroom social housing tenancy. I'd be less cavalier when potentially risking that tenancy.

LuK2007

I have spoken to my housing officer who said they will be put down as an "occupant" and that their ID will be scanned and put on file. Apparently im allowed up to 4x occupants ! Spot on!

myself and the occupant will go together and have an informal meeting to put him on file and all will be on their system at the head office i.e. as good as written confirmation although i could get a written confirmation whilst im in the office - i suppose i will do.

Subletting is allowed so long as its my primary residence - and it is still going to be.

I am doing nothing wrong just after advice.

So its sorted, the council know for the council tax and the HA no there is going to be extra faces at my house.

Sorted... Thanks for your advice, i am happy for anyone else to put there two penneth in also...

Lioness_Twinkletoes

LuK2007 wrote: »

I have spoken to my housing officer who said they will be put down as an "occupant" and that their ID will be scanned and put on file. Apparently im allowed up to 4x occupants ! Spot on!

myself and the occupant will go together and have an informal meeting to put him on file and all will be on their system at the head office i.e. as good as written confirmation although i could get a written confirmation whilst im in the office - i suppose i will do.

Subletting is allowed so long as its my primary residence - and it is still going to be.

I am doing nothing wrong just after advice.

So its sorted, the council know for the council tax and the HA no there is going to be extra faces at my house.

Sorted... Thanks for your advice, i am happy for anyone else to put there two penneth in also...

Gosh, you sorted that out quickly. Yes, definitely get confirmation in writing; staff come and staff go.

Well done and congratulations to your family on securing a comfortable new home, completely free of charge! Not many people would be so generous. Lets hope they can concentrate on saving for a new home.

Just one other thing; if they were subletting from a tenant of a HA (oh the irony!) and the legal tenant kicked them out; that legal tenant would usually be evicted for subletting and your family would be deemed unintentionally homeless by the Council. They would then house them - even if only temporarily. Perhaps they should seek advice from the CAB regarding this?

Make sure you let the Council tax department know and obviously your family will be advising the DVLA/insurance company etc? Oh and you'll need to advise your insurance company as well - it may affect your home contents insurance.

I still think this is stinkier than a skunk in heat but good luck with it.

You see, for me, this is a very, very big tell:

LuK2007 wrote: »

It is even legal to sub let part of the property just not all - thats the ONLY way i'd ever lose my house is if they can absolutely prove im subletting the whole property. This is mainly proven through bank statements and other people registering all there info at my address.

LuK2007 wrote: »

<snip>..none of my belongings or sky tv or any other bills are there in my name. i.e. all my letters will still be registered to my address.

The family that are coming to live with me have there stuff registered at their old residence which the person who kicked them out is still happy for there letters to stay there.

So, if it is all legal and above board why are they getting all their post sent to another address? Why aren't they changing their correspondence address? Because you - and they - have something to hide.

Still, I am sure they will now permission has been given.

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Lioness_Twinkletoes wrote: »

You may consider me harsh; that's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to hold it. However, I am telling as I see it.

• You have a two bed home. At best, it is a two bed, four person home. At worst, a two bed, three person home.
• You are inviting a further 4 people to live within this home. Live. Not stay. Not visit. Live. For an undetermined length of time. They're not guests.
• This makes five people in a two bed home. Therefore, it's overcrowded.
• You stay away 'a lot'. Presumably, this means that the parents and the children will have the two bedrooms.
• Your family are not intending to transfer any bills or documents to your home. Therefore, they are hiding the fact that they live with you.

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Do you not realise how often this happens (five people in a two bed home).., did you read my post at all? Lol the council themselves will quite happily put five people in a one ROOM home. Unfortunately, its not unusual at all. There are people who will prefer the situation the OP is describing to being in one room, or on the streets. Unfortunately, in this day and age, a decision like this is not as uncommon as it should be. You obviously live on a different planet to me.

The OP is aware that his sister has made some bad choices, so he is prepared to gamble she will learn. I hope she does. But its his choice. He can be warned of the ramifications (if you want to waste your breath, he seems to be already aware and was just checking in to see if there was anything he hadn't thought of), but harangued and treated like a criminal? No.

They are not hiding the fact they are living with him, from what he says the OP is not hiding the fact they are living with him (having enquired about council tax, asked the HA if he can do this legally), they are just being sensible and trying to not muddy the issue so the OP can be accused of subletting the whole property rather than a room.

Not sure what you are getting out of this., but hope its worth it twinkletoes.

Lioness_Twinkletoes

deannatrois wrote: »

Do you not realise how often this happens (five people in a two bed home).., did you read my post at all? Lol the council themselves will quite happily put five people in a one ROOM home. Unfortunately, its not unusual at all. There are people who will prefer the situation the OP is describing to being in one room, or on the streets. Unfortunately, in this day and age, a decision like this is not as uncommon as it should be. You obviously live on a different planet to me.

The OP is aware that his sister has made some bad choices, so he is prepared to gamble she will learn. I hope she does. But its his choice. He can be warned of the ramifications (if you want to waste your breath, he seems to be already aware and was just checking in to see if there was anything he hadn't thought of), but harangued and treated like a criminal? No.

They are not hiding the fact they are living with him, from what he says the OP is not hiding the fact they are living with him (having enquired about council tax, asked the HA if he can do this legally), they are just being sensible and trying to not muddy the issue so the OP can be accused of subletting the whole property rather than a room.

Not sure what you are getting out of this., but hope its worth it twinkletoes.

You & I will simply have to agree to differ on the way we view this.

Cheeky_Monkey

Personally, I agree with LT - there's something not quite right about this whole story.

Firstly, it's unusual to refer to your own sister as your BiL's 'mrs'!!!

Secondly, it's also strange that they would still have their letters delivered to the address they have just been evicted from and even more strange that the person who evicted them would allow it.

Thirdly, I'm wondering how the OP managed to get a 2 bed semi-detached house as a single man in the first place?

All of my 'wonderings' may have a logical explanation but I've yet to read any.

LuK2007

Too many people on here are simply reading too much into it. Its like people are personally get annoyed with what Im trying to do.

Im doing a good deed for crying out loud.

Thanks for any help people have given me on this.

marksoton

LuK2007 wrote: »

Too many people on here are simply reading too much into it. Its like people are personally get annoyed with what Im trying to do.

Im doing a good deed for crying out loud.

Thanks for any help people have given me on this.

Sceptical, yes. Annoyed? I very much doubt it.

HappyMJ

LuK2007 wrote: »

Too many people on here are simply reading too much into it. Its like people are personally get annoyed with what Im trying to do.

Im doing a good deed for crying out loud.

Thanks for any help people have given me on this.

I think it's a nice favour you're doing. They aren't going to get housed or even considered for rehousing until they've paid the arrears off so they do need to live somewhere. They can't get a private rental property as no landlord would take the risk with a non-paying tenant so the best place they can stay for the time being is your house.

Hope it all works out for you.