MoneySaving Poll: How will you be voting in the EU referendum?



  • HanSpan
    HanSpan Forumite Posts: 535
    Part of the Furniture 500 Posts Combo Breaker
    G6JPG wrote: »
    Yes, that is something that's been bugging me too - but of course I see it as "last chance to escape". I've been increasingly thinking we - and all other member states - should have such a referendum, at least once every ten to fifteen years; if I thought there would be such a chance, I might well give the "new deal" a chance - as I've said, I have actually read it and it could work. But knowing that even our own politicians, let alone the rest of EU*, are highly unlikely to give us another one in the near future, I feel I must get off this train.

    (* I heard one of them - I think it was Mr. Delors, but I don't want to name anyone because the less-acceptable face of leave tend to do so in a rabble-rousing manner - say that after this one, there should be no more. I think that was the point at which I decided, actually.)

    If today goes the way the leavers want I very much believe that will be a one way ticket. The video I linked to a few posts ago gave me an even more worrying idea of what that could mean for us, and I see no reason why the EU will make life easy for us if we snub them.

    OTOH it actually isn't the last chance to leave. Written into the EU rules is that they have to let us out whenever we want, and we don't need a referendum the govt can just pull the plug.

    So if some of the things that people are basing their decision to leave on - things that haven't happened (and to me seem unlikely to ever happen) - things like Turkey or other countries actually ever getting in, or the EU trying to put pressure on us to join Schengen or the Euro: if these were actually to ever happen we could just leave then.
  • dandelion1
    dandelion1 Forumite Posts: 1 Newbie
    How's this working out for you so far, then? :)
    gupyuk wrote: »
    It appears as a new user I am not allowed to post links here - Ridiculous!
    So you will have to put the following into Google and search for yourself.

    EU plans to fit all cars with speed limiters Telegraph website
    EU law “threatens UK's traditional ice cream” eurofoodlaw dot com
    EU ports regulation could hold back UK ports including the £300m Liverpool2 facility
    Liverpoolecho dot co dot uk
    Muzzling Brussels: Why EU Leaders Aren't Debating Brexit - spiegel dot de/international/europe/why-eu-leaders-are-not-speaking-out-about-brexit-a-1094261.html
    EU army plans ‘kept secret’ from British voters until after Brexit referendum
    rt dot com/uk/344563-eu-army-secret-referendum/
    Dirty Campaign to Stop Brit EU Exit: Refugee Deluge, Interrogating Schoolkids, Hiding Tax Hikes - the new american dot com/world-news/europe/item/22650-dirty-campaign-to-stop-brit-eu-exit-refugee-deluge-interrogating-schoolkids-hiding-tax-hikes?tmpl=component&amp%3Bprint=1
    Brexit threat saves our super-fast kettles: Brussels shelves ban on powerful appliances after British negotiators warn it could sway referendum
    daily mail dot co dot uk/news/article-3466653/Brexit-threat-saves-super-fast-kettles.html
    Something to hide? Brussels bosses delay plans for next EU budget until AFTER Brexit vote - express dot co dot uk/news/politics/670099/EU-referendum-European-Commission-delays-EU-budget-proposals-after-Brexit-vote
    Brussels presses the hold button on Brexit - politico dot eu/article/brussels-presses-brexit-hold-button-uk-referendum-campaign-eu-legislation/

    I do not believe in scare tactics from either side, it is completely wrong and I will never stoop that low. The people of the UK have a basic right to the correct information without any perversion of the truth, the links above are from as varied a source as possible so as not to be particularly biased either way, they are genuine articles from respectable sources.
    And if that isn't enough, consider this......

    "There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about June 23rd, and people want to know the facts. Here are some:

    You are not voting to leave the EEA or WTO, meaning all of the UK's trade and benefit agreements will remain unchanged should we leave, until such a time that the UK decides to renegotiate them for any reason.

    You are not voting to leave NATO, meaning our security agreements remain unchanged. Should we receive an act of hostility from a non-NATO member, then NATO countries are obliged to come to our assistance. This does not change.

    You are not voting to leave the UN, G8 or G20, meaning Britain will have the same voice on the world stage as it does today.

    You are not voting to leave Europe!! The UK will still, geographically, be part of Europe. Non political organisations aligned to Europe will still extend membership to the UK (I.e. sports governing bodies, and so on).

    You are not voting to stop recognising Interpol, Europol and neither are you voting for SIS / MI6 to stop dealing with other intelligence services in the fight against terrorism and global, organised crime.

    You are not voting against being able to travel to Europe, contrary to the belief of some fools recently on TV. The UK has always maintained stricter border and passport controls than many EU members. This will not change. You will still use a passport to go on holiday and you will still be allowed entry to countries in Europe. You may even get chance to skip queues by using the non--EU queues at the airport (the only point so far that is my opinion, and not necessarily a fact).

    The UK economy will benefit to the tune of £billions in the first year after we leave.

    Medical and science research will not simply stop. The UK pays into the EU to then get money back in the form of funding. The UK will now be in control of this money and can choose to fund whatever UK based medical, science, art or other research it chooses.

    Farming will not lose money because of EU funding being cut. The UK negotiated a rebate of some monies that the UK pays to the EU, in order to subsidise UK farmers. Instead of asking for our money back, we can give it straight to farmers. No change there.

    You are not voting against human rights. The EU Convention on, and European Court of Human Rights are not part of the EU. Until parliament passes a new bill of rights for the UK, these will still apply, as will precedents already passed down to UK courts from Brussels.

    You are not voting to kick anyone out of the UK or block access to anyone. Neither are you voting to stop recruiting valuable European workers into things like the NHS. Like my other point about passports for travel, the UK is already outside of the Schengen zone and so migrant workers must enter the UK with a valid passport before and after June 23rd. That will not change. British borders maintain full control of who comes and goes. Should someone have the skills to apply to work in the NHS, then they will still be permitted travel and given an opportunity to apply for a job. Worst case, points based assessment, like the US, Canada and Australia use, will come into effect. The UK is likely to negotiate freedom of labour movement though, in exchange for freedom of goods movement.

    You are not voting to move jobs nor production out of the UK! The EU actually helped fund the move of Ford Transit production from the UK to Turkey... Yes, the EU helped give UK jobs to people in Turkey by giving Ford a loan of £80m with very generous terms!

    What you are voting for is UK sovereignty. You are voting to stay in or leave a political union of leaders and representatives that you British people did not elect. You are voting against a commission of unelected, elite men that nobody at all voted for and yet they make decisions on our behalf. You are simply voting to bring sovereignty back to Westminster, and that is all. If you worry about that because you don't like the Conservative government, look at the reality. Their majority in parliament is very slim. They have been blocked on big decisions already. You are therefore not giving sovereignty to David Cameron, but to the UK House of elected representatives. Do not be fooled by the fear campaigns that are simply run by the wealthy, who need EU money to thrive! Think about the future, and your family's future"
    These are not my words but definitely my views.
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