The EU: IN or OUT?

summersetsheep

I read somewhere that experts, the IMF and economists agree that Britain would fall into the sea and disappear if we vote leave.

leveller2911

summersetsheep wrote: »

I read somewhere that experts, the IMF and economists agree that Britain would fall into the sea and disappear if we vote leave.

You forgot about the plague of Locusts.......:D

atush

It is all a joke to you outers.

leveller2911

SimonBlake wrote: »

When the government, the bank of England, IMF tells you that things will get worse, much worse, I'd help people would listen.

The IMF said it would be in the UK's best interest to join the Euro were they right?.................;)

I for one, don't want another 5-6 years of uncertainty, job cuts, reduced investment and so forth - and for what? So we can be 'richer'? Don't think so.

Plenty of respected economists believe we can survive outside of the EU and even prosper. Far too much baggage in the EU .Name me 1 affluent country that intends to join the EU. Plenty of poor ones want to join and who pays for them? Clue : Its not Poland,Lithuania,Spain,Portugal,Eire etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ..........

There's so many broken aspects of the domestic government that have nothing to do with EU - such as the dubious benefits system that is abused by people in this country, from this country.

That maybe so but its the govt that we the public vote to make those policies so if we don't like it we can vote them out every 5yrs. You and I can't vote to remove the Council of Ministers who are the ones who propose EU laws and the EU parliament only have the power to reject/accept or amend these laws. In the UK Parliament your MP can propose a Private Members Bill which can be made into law the EU MEP's can't propose any legislation.

Currently our own Politicians can blame their own mistakes on the EU and if we leave then our own Politicians can be held more responsible ,can't blame the EU if we aren't a member.

If it's not broken, then don't fix it...

:rotfl: Seriously ?. You don't think the EU is broken?...... I've just spit my tea all over my Laptop reading that........:rotfl:


I'm voting to leave for the benefit of my children and their futures....

SimonBlake

Dird wrote: »

The majority aren't saying it'll get "much worse". They say we'll be slightly less rich (but still better than Today, in or out). They also said we should join the euro, stay pegged to the deutsche mark and saw no issue with subprime mortgages.

Job cuts are inevitable as technology improves. The difference is your son will be fighting it out with a Greek and a Turk for that job at Tesco meaning many more Brits on benefits.

Immigration is a pretty big deal, otherwise why would we not be letting in all these Africans & Arabs coming over in boats? I'd take a rich Arab over the poor Romanian I saw on "How to get a council house" this week. Lived in UK for a few months, only spoke basic English, returned to Romania to bring over his wife and 5 (FIVE!) kids and waited until the council closed so child services had a duty of care to keep the kids off the street. More government debt and 1 less large council property available meaning the government having to pay for a British family to live in private housing also.

This is exactly the type of thinking that upsets me, something I have admired about Britain is its openness to nationalities and all cultures - good, respectable morals that other nations should aspire to - after all, we all are just human beings. I have no problems with 'Greeks' or 'Turks' or any other nationality for that matter - to single out specific nationalities is horrible and sounds like you have a specific hatred for certain nationalities. This is not what the referendum should be about.

Also, last time I checked, if you wanted a job in a supermarket, so long as you are reasonably well educated, willing to work and enthusiastic - you can get it. This is not the aspirations I would set for my child either - and there is a sufficiently large talent pool for any job - he or she who is 'best' should really get it. Has it ever occurred to you also that immigrants get these jobs because they want them when few domestic people do? They play an important part in our economy.

Again, your other point raised about certain nationalities looking to get a free house etc, is symptomatic of the governments own policies. The problem of people abusing the benefits system is not the EU's fault, its this country's fault - I'm sure there are many more domestic 'scroungers' then there are from abroad. How many times have you read about a) teenage pregnancies getting a council house? b) people abusing the disability system c) people generally abusing and exploiting loopholes in domestic policy? The list goes on and on.

And no, job cuts are not inevitable as technology improves - this is a weak point. Job cuts will be rampant if the economy worsens, less funding is available, less transactions occur and so forth.

But hey, if we do leave Europe at least those pesky 'Greeks' and 'Turks' won't be getting 'our' jobs that we treasure so, so much at the local supermarket and our children can look forward to a rewarding career (note: extreme sarcasm here....):T

marleyboy

It is all a joke to you outers.

I changed my postal vote for a polling card, I want to make sure my vote counts and will still be voting OUT!

This is regardless of the numerous polls, leaflets, scaremongering and mud throwing that is going on by either group. THAT'S NO JOKE!

leveller2911

SimonBlake wrote: »

Also, last time I checked, if you wanted a job in a supermarket, so long as you are reasonably well educated, willing to work and enthusiastic - you can get it. This is not the aspirations I would set for my child either - and there is a sufficiently large talent pool for any job - he or she who is 'best' should really get it. Has it ever occurred to you also that immigrants get these jobs because they want them when few domestic people do? They play an important part in our economy.

The Freedom of Movement only works if its a 2 ways street. There are currently 800,000+ Polish migrants in the UK and around 20,000 UK migrants working/living in Poland and this is not sustainable. There are around 200,000 Romanians and Bulgarians living in the UK but only around 16,000 Brits living in Romania and Bulgaria and of those only 9,000 are full time residents and again this is not sustainable. How can the UK house 325,000 extra people each year when we can't house our own?. There are plenty of Brits abroad but many,many of those are retired but how many Poles,Bulgarians and Romanians have retired here and bought their wealth with them.......

There is an valid argument that our Govt's have not planned for this mass migration but we are where we are so we need at the very least to halt the immigration to the UK until we have actually built the infrastructure to house them ,the Hospitals to treat them and the schools to educate them and good luck with that.

Many of us don't actually want tower blocks to live in , we want quality of life and not just an existence.

The problem of people abusing the benefits system is not the EU's fault, its this country's fault - I'm sure there are many more domestic 'scroungers' then there are from abroad. How many times have you read about a) teenage pregnancies getting a council house? b) people abusing the disability system c) people generally abusing and exploiting loopholes in domestic policy? The list goes on and on.

I agree to a certain extent but the fact is we elect a Govt on the basis of their manifesto and we can fire them every 5yrs but you can't fire the Council Of Ministers who are the ones who think up and propose laws.

And no, job cuts are not inevitable as technology improves - this is a weak point. Job cuts will be rampant if the economy worsens, less funding is available, less transactions occur and so forth.

I would argue that when we have a 500 million pool of people to choose from we are less likely to skill up our own workforce.Far cheaper for a big business to ship in workers that to pay to train their own.

Job cuts will be rampant when we have the next recession and the fact that interest rates are just about zero means the BOE will have one less tool in its box to fight a recession next time it happens and it will. When/if we leave we can make our own trade deals around the world,how long has the EU been trying to get a trade deal with the US ,40yrs?.

The problem with the EU is its like the Titanic,it takes an absolute age to turn around and miss the iceberg, migrant crisis ,any actual plan? huge problems with the Euro ,any plan?. Although we aren't in the Euro the fact that its in a mess it has a huge effect on us.Greek debt crisis along with the debt problems with the rest of the EU including us. There are rules that all Eurozone countries are suppose to adhere too and even Germany fails to abide by the rules as does France,Italy etc. Whats the point of having rules if countries don't abide by them.

leveller2911

atush wrote: »

It is all a joke to you outers.

The scaremongering is, even the scaremongering by the Brexit brigade makes me laugh but the Remainers win that battle hands down...........:D

Personally I never joke about my children's future and my vote will be based on what I feel is best long term for them and their children.

You are obviously a remain voter so can you answer my question: What is the limit of the EU expansion?. Where does it end because we are currently EU citizens and have the right to know. You see atush the EU project was at the beginning a noble idea which worked fairly well but the moment they started to change into a political Union with the intention of becoming a Federal Superstate they lost the backing of the public.

Superscrooge

There are some interesting statistics in the below article analysing the type of people wanting to remain in the EU and those that want to quit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/21/eu-referendum-who-in-britain-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-rem/

Quentin

Where are martin's loyal followers?

He has told us all we should be staying in, yet now has the embarrassment of hosting a poll where there are all these ungrateful people saying ignore him and vote out.