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The EU: IN or OUT?
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Personal Responsibility - Sad but True
Sometimes.... I am like a dog with a bone0 -
Are you sure?
You sure it wasn't the Greeks responsibility for taking on the ridiculous debt arrangement/swap?
On the surface the fault would seem to lie with the Greeks, for willfully falsifying accounts, evading tax, paying absurd pensions and so on. But in practice responsibility surely lies with both parties. The lender has a duty of due diligence, to determine whether or not the borrower has the ability to repay the loan, and the borrower has the responsibility to not lie, to behave reasonably. You might say this is a Christian perspective, but I believe it is to some degree enshrined in UK law. So in my view, the EU bears some responsibility. And apparently most people knew the Greeks were untrustworthy anyway.I don't believe the EU was lobbied and formulated by any business let alone 'big' business in the beginning.
Obviously, in the real world, which is where we live unfortunately once you have a structure / organisation / process in place then people (big business as you mention) are going to try to sway practices to fit with their own desires. It's human nature. you don't mention the impact of 'big' unions on any regulations, I'm sure they have also lobbied and got regulations meeting their own agenda.
True, but as far as I can see, the somewhat opaque nature of the EU favours this kind of behind closed doors lobbying. It seems to be a group of bureacrats doing what they think is right, with a lack of transparency and accountability.0 -
Ireland has low corporation tax, it is a possibly wise decision. We have to make ourselves competitive.0 -
Edited....BananaRepublic wrote: »Ireland has low corporation tax, it is a possibly wise decision. We NOW have to make ourselves competitive.
So, where do we get the lost revenue from? It's never about one single bullet point there are always knock on impacts.Personal Responsibility - Sad but True
Sometimes.... I am like a dog with a bone0 -
BananaRepublic wrote: »Ireland has low corporation tax, it is a possibly wise decision. We have to make ourselves competitive.
The EU will not be happy that we're trying to undercut them. Is it wise to antagonise them prior to starting the trade negotiations?0 -
The EU will not be happy that we're trying to undercut them. Is it wise to antagonise them prior to starting the trade negotiations?
Maybe I'm just living in a parallel universe, wasn't the vast majority of the campaign to leave about just that. Antagonism towards the EU, rule Britannia and a triumphant victory against the Fourth Reich.
Economic lies and fantasies aside, anyone with a memory knows the leave vote was harvested to strains of Bud Flanagan and calls for the EU and their migrants to sod off back home.
I expect going forward the focus of the leavers will shift towards trying to engineer the break up of the EU single market, with the intent that what's left of the UK can then salvage something from that.'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB0 -
Maybe I'm just living in a parallel universe, wasn't the vast majority of the campaign to leave about just that. Antagonism towards the EU, rule Britannia and a triumphant victory against the Fourth Reich.
Economic lies and fantasies aside, anyone with a memory knows the leave vote was harvested to strains of Bud Flanagan and calls for the EU and their migrants to sod off back home.
I expect going forward the focus of the leavers will shift towards trying to engineer the break up of the EU single market, with the intent that what's left of the UK can then salvage something from that.
You make a valid point but at this point it looks unlikely that those leading the leave campaign will be involved in the post-Brexit talks. I would have thought that it would be better to start with a more conciliatory tone towards our former partners.0 -
Theresa May and Andrea Leadsom would be the best team.
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Maybe I'm just living in a parallel universe, wasn't the vast majority of the campaign to leave about just that. Antagonism towards the EU, rule Britannia and a triumphant victory against the Fourth Reich.
Economic lies and fantasies aside, anyone with a memory knows the leave vote was harvested to strains of Bud Flanagan and calls for the EU and their migrants to sod off back home.
I expect going forward the focus of the leavers will shift towards trying to engineer the break up of the EU single market, with the intent that what's left of the UK can then salvage something from that.
yes you are living in a rather toxic embittered parallel universe.
try accepting the democratic vote and working for a successful UK.0 -
Is this a Freudian slip or just an attempt to shut down a few uncomfortable realities?try accepting the democratic vote and working for a successful UK.
The UK was being successful. Over the next few years we'll have to see how this changes that and whether it continues.'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB0
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