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I've not heard of such a policy. There are a huge number of things that can go wrong with mating, pregnancy and birth, and when they do it is often very serious and extremely expensive. So if you could find anyone willing to insure it, the premiums would be huge.When I had my loft converted back into a loft, the neighbours came around and scoffed, and called me retro.0
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I am sick of people making conclusions and assuming that people breed dogs simply for money making because firstly if you have ever bred dogs you would know that there is rarely money to be made from it. Add up the pre vet bills the worming, vaccinations, chipping, food for mum and pups, post vet bills, cost of electrical if using heating and time taken from work or hand rearing and its hardly called a money making thing. Secondly yes there are unwanted dogs and rescue dogs but they are not much cheaper these days than home bred dogs, maybe they should reduce their prices a bit, how come you dont consider them as money making?Trollydolly wrote: »The only conclusion I jumped to was that you have deliberatly mated dogs with no knowledge yourself and obviously to gain money from the puppies. That is unless you are giving the puppies away for free? Like I said, and I quote
"Are there not enough dogs in this country that are up for rescue without bringing more into the world?. Obviously there is a need to breed from certain dogs, i dont dispute that. Guide dogs for the blind are a prime example but if you dont even know what your doing then I doubt you are breeding these dogs as working dogs, so im guessing it has only been done for money."
I stand by what I said.0 -
doggydogood wrote: »I am sick of people making conclusions and assuming that people breed dogs simply for money making because firstly if you have ever bred dogs you would know that there is rarely money to be made from it. Add up the pre vet bills the worming, vaccinations, chipping, food for mum and pups, post vet bills, cost of electrical if using heating and time taken from work or hand rearing and its hardly called a money making thing. Secondly yes there are unwanted dogs and rescue dogs but they are not much cheaper these days than home bred dogs, maybe they should reduce their prices a bit, how come you dont consider them as money making?
How many breeders microchip, vaccinate and spay/neuter puppies they have bred? You are making a donation to rescue that quite often doesn't cover the cost of the basics. Throw in a few poorly dogs and their vet bills can be through the roof and this is money making? I can think of much easier ways.0 -
doggydogood wrote: »I am sick of people making conclusions and assuming that people breed dogs simply for money making because firstly if you have ever bred dogs you would know that there is rarely money to be made from it. Add up the pre vet bills the worming, vaccinations, chipping, food for mum and pups, post vet bills, cost of electrical if using heating and time taken from work or hand rearing and its hardly called a money making thing. Secondly yes there are unwanted dogs and rescue dogs but they are not much cheaper these days than home bred dogs, maybe they should reduce their prices a bit, how come you dont consider them as money making?
Amazing how you come on as a first time newbie to hide your usual username
Now i foster for a rescue, they charge £125 per dog for adoption. They neuture all dogs, that can cost up to £100 each dog, plus they microchip the dogs, that costs £10 each dog, then they feed the dogs and pay all medical expenses and flea treatment whilst the dogs are in their care. So what they charge is not even what they pay out.0 -
doggydogood wrote: »Secondly yes there are unwanted dogs and rescue dogs but they are not much cheaper these days than home bred dogs, maybe they should reduce their prices a bit, how come you dont consider them as money making?
Rescues certainly don't do it to make money, and invariably don't even cover their costs which as a minimum, in the case of reputable rescues, include a vet check, neutering/spaying, worming, vaccination and microchipping. Veterinary treatment would obviously be more costly where dogs need medical attention. Then there are costs for kennelling, and feed, without going into administration, insurance, transport costs etc etc etc.
ETA: Sorry, crossposted with Raffles & Kimberley."No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich." - Louis Sabin0 -
What you talk about in costs for rescue centres is what people pay when breeding their dogs, ie vet checks, chipping, vaccination, any health issues and not all rescue centres desex the dogs and not all centres give adequate health checks to dogs, on top of this they charge ridiculous amounts for dogs they may have had to care for , for only a couple of days, as well as this many dont screen the people whom are buying so the same thing could happen again, so give home breeders a break, in reply to you kimberley and your foster caring, that is great but most of the time what home breeders charge is not even what they pay out either.0
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Kimberley I dont know about pounds but over here in Australia they charge around $300 and most of the time its cheaper to buy from a home breeder and I personally have rescued a dog from a centre which was not desexed, I had to do that myself, was not adequately vet checked as when I bought it home found out it had a virus and I was not screened at all nor my premises, it definitely was not treated for fleas, the only thing I can say is that it was microchipped with my details and yes it was fed though still looked undernourished and was riddled with worms. And like I said previously what home breeders charge is not what they pay out either.Amazing how you come on as a first time newbie to hide your usual username
Now i foster for a rescue, they charge £125 per dog for adoption. They neuture all dogs, that can cost up to £100 each dog, plus they microchip the dogs, that costs £10 each dog, then they feed the dogs and pay all medical expenses and flea treatment whilst the dogs are in their care. So what they charge is not even what they pay out.0 -
Just to throw some numbers back at you- an average adoption fee is between £75- £150 from a reputable rescue ie. one that vaccinates, chips, worms, fleas and neuters dogs in their care.
I'll admit there are some appaling places that call themselves 'rescues' that do none of the above and charge what they feel like. However, the good ones seriously outweigh the bad ones.
You can also get a dog straight from the pound and expect to pay £40-£80 depending on which part of the country your in. These dogs aren't vaccinated, neutered etc and more often than not have no background information.
Or you can go to a breeder and pay anything from £200 up to £2000 depending on your chosen breed. Some breeders will give the first vaccination but the majority don't. Worming and flea treatment is about as good as it gets for the majority of puppies ready to be sold.
Just to throw a few more numbers at you-
Microchipping- £10-£25
Neuter- £80-£120
Spay- £140-£220 (depending on size of dog)
Vaccination- £30-£50
Flea treatment-£5
Wormer-£2
These are the current vet fees in my area. So to take say a young adult dog into rescue, the least the rescue is looking to spend is £127. This isn't covering food, heating, transport costs and any other medical problems the dog may have. As I said before, more often than not a reputable rescue is out of pocket by the time a dog is ready for homing.
Now I'll go to a breeder, for arguments sake again I've bought a £200 puppy. He's been wormed and that's it. So on top of this (again using the lowest figures) I've got £125 to pay out.
I know which one is the better deal
I'm not saying that breeders don't have to pay out for things, but overall, they charge a lot more than a rescue centre. Meaning that they're more likely to be in pocket.0
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