Toyota question

bigjl

Rain_Shadow wrote: »

That one hasn't been serviced for 19,000 miles. Is that the correct interval?

Did I say buy it?

Or say Inwould go for something like this?

What doctor want next? Me to test drive it first before putting up an example.

The one mentioned above has no service history mentioned.

Does that mean it has none?

bigjl

SomeRandomGuy wrote: »

I agree the wheel in the picture looks a bit tatty but we don't know if all the wheels are scuffed, presumably OP has seen the car in the flesh and can judge the overall condition. This is precisely the kind of car that is treated as 'white goods' so I don't understand you point really. You don't buy a Yaris to keep as a garage queen future classic.

Normal wear and tear and parking dings are to be expected on a 7 year old car. OP could haggle for the wheel to be refurbished as part of the deal. The dealer would no doubt have contacts to a smart repairer of some kind that could deal with that very easily.

The one you link to is only £1599 more! That is a lot of money when OP was looking to spend £4500 originally. I don't know many people that have the ability to extend their original budget by a third.............. Not to mention the fact that it hasn't been serviced for 20k and looks like it is sitting on budget tyres, where as the OP's one had Michellins on which might suggest the previous owner is at least not so tight they resent spending an extra few quid on quality rubber.

edit:
I don't know if the OP's preferred car has alloys or wheel trims? If they are just plastic trims then that is even easier to fix. And even if it is alloys I don't think scuffed alloys makes it a 'don't touch with a barge pole' car.

I wouldn't spend £4500 on that age of car because it doesn't seem good value to ME. But if OP wants that make/model and with parking sensors it doesn't seem over the going rate.

It isn't a lot of money when you consider it is 4years newer and is the newer model.

If you want to buy a car that appears in the Toyota Main dealer pictures with wheel trims scuffed like that with a dent in the same wheel arch them crack on.

It's up for top money and it needs to be in top condition, in other words faultess in every way.

The person that buys this will think the low mileage makes it in some way special but it isn't, it is a low mileage London Runaround, and all of those miles have likely been short trips up and down kerbs and over potholes and speed bumps.

Buy it if you want.

I wouldn't touch it with a Brahe pole because in my experience cars with those kind of cosmetic issues end up costing you money.

Then the owner will get confused as they bought a low miler.

Most wear and tear is in urban driving and with a cold engine being used for short trips with lots of time spent in traffic with lots of 1st and 2nd gear usage and the clutch getting hammered all the time.

I have a 40k mile Berlingo that was bought with 27k in November, have seen similar (better condition bodily) on Autotrader for £3000!!!

I paid £1000 and you can feel that first and second a a bit more notchy than the other gears. It's had a hard life in cut and thrust central London traffic.

But if I fixed all the little car park dents I am sure somebody could be convinced to give me £2500 when it had 27k on it. Maybe £2000 now it has 40k.

I wouldn't 't though.

davholla

AdrianC wrote: »

7yo Yaris, <4,500 miles/year, badly scuffed wheeltrims. If ever there was stereotypical little-old-lady transport...

Going with that stereotype, it's quite probably being sold because a scare has meant she's given up driving or is going to an automatic (if it's manual). It's probably done most of those miles in short journeys from cold starts, so the engine wear will be higher than the mileage would suggest.

I'd be checking VERY carefully for paint match, especially around the bumpers and wings, and if it's a manual, I'd be making sure there was enough in the pot for a clutch change in the not-too-distant, after seven years of 5,000rpm clutch-slip parking.

Wouldn't a clutch change be covered in the warranty?
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/buy_sell/buying-approved-used/toyota-approved-used-scheme

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Are am I missing something

AdrianC

davholla wrote: »

Wouldn't a clutch change be covered in the warranty?
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/buy_sell/buying-approved-used/toyota-approved-used-scheme

Are am I missing something

Yes. The warranty excludes wear and tear, and the clutch will have failed because of wear.
http://usedcars.toyota.co.uk/approvedbenefitssub.aspx?wflw=se_na_ap_vi&idx=1&src=mrmBenefitContent&ifr=true&pos=VCR&h=490&w=620&x=0&y=0&tme=od-theme-1

Anyway, the Toyota approved used warranty only covers up to the car's seventh anniversary - which, for that car, is the end of June.

Apart from that, I can't see any explicit mention of it qualifying for the approved-used warranty on the dealer's website, or on Autotrader.
http://usedcars.toyota.co.uk/used/yaris/1.33-vvt-i-tr/jemca-bromley/bromley/2285001-605645169-213662.aspx

...and a search of Toyota's own approved-used list shows no Yaris within a 10mile radius of the dealer's postcode below £6,000 - for a 58-plate 35k car. So it's priced WAY below approved-used money. There are only 20 <£5k used Yaris on Toyota's list, nationally, and this car isn't one of them. Some of which explicitly mention the 12mo warranty, others don't - mostly because they're older than the warranty will cover.

davholla

AdrianC wrote: »

Yes. The warranty excludes wear and tear, and the clutch will have failed because of wear.
http://usedcars.toyota.co.uk/approvedbenefitssub.aspx?wflw=se_na_ap_vi&idx=1&src=mrmBenefitContent&ifr=true&pos=VCR&h=490&w=620&x=0&y=0&tme=od-theme-1

Anyway, the Toyota approved used warranty only covers up to the car's seventh anniversary - which, for that car, is the end of June.

Apart from that, I can't see any explicit mention of it qualifying for the approved-used warranty on the dealer's website, or on Autotrader.
http://usedcars.toyota.co.uk/used/yaris/1.33-vvt-i-tr/jemca-bromley/bromley/2285001-605645169-213662.aspx

...and a search of Toyota's own approved-used list shows no Yaris within a 10mile radius of the dealer's postcode below £6,000 - for a 58-plate 35k car. So it's priced WAY below approved-used money. There are only 20 <£5k used Yaris on Toyota's list, and this car isn't one of them. Some of which explicitly mention the 12mo warranty, others don't - mostly because they're older than the warranty will cover.

Thank you, the salesman just told my wife that it is approved used so I am not sure what is going on.

AdrianC

It's entirely possible that the car is approved. But the full-fat Toyota-approved-used warranty will expire at the end of June, when the car is 7yo. There may, of course, be a different warranty - but it would still not cover clutch wear.

SomeRandomGuy

davholla wrote: »

Wouldn't a clutch change be covered in the warranty?
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/buy_sell/buying-approved-used/toyota-approved-used-scheme

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Are am I missing something

Is it a Toyota approved warranty you are getting or some kind of after market (AA, RAC, etc) warranty? Because that link states the approved used warranty is for "cars included: Seven years / unlimited mileage", and the car you want to buy must be nearly 7 years old by now.

Also as I said you need to make sure it has been serviced as it should or the warranty may not pay out.

I think it depends on the warranty you are getting and the exact small print. Under some warranty schemes a failed clutch might well be classed as fair wear and tear on a car of that age.

SomeRandomGuy

This is a lot cheaper but has done an extra 14000 miles.

Iceweasel

davholla wrote: »

I know but it matters to my wife and so it is very relevant to me.

You need to help your wife understand why low mileage at 7 years old is NOT necessarily good.

The original Toyota warranty is about to expire (which is likely why it's been traded in) and whatever warranty you get will be liable to wear and tear exemptions.

Edit: see Adrian C's correction below of my warranty expiry error.

Like several others have tried to explain, low mileage means 'extreme conditions' to me - short journeys, never fully up to temperature, and those wheel-trims tell you exactly how careful the previous owner was.

AdrianC

Iceweasel wrote: »

The original Toyota warranty is about to expire

The original new-car warranty expired nearly two years ago, when the car hit five years since registration.

It is Toyota's approved-used warranty that covers for the 12mo from purchase - or until 7yo, whichever comes first.

and whatever warranty you get will be liable to wear and tear exemptions.

Even a new car warranty would exclude a worn-out clutch.

The only possible remedy would be under consumer legislation - and you'd have to convince a judge that the failure was unreasonable for a car of that age and apparent condition.