Brexit vote

OldBeanz

The last two currency crises that the UK has had were both when we were in the EEC.
It was after we had been in Europe for 6 years that Callaghan's crisis (what crisis?) came to a head.
It was Thatcher who sorted out the unions, inflation and waste in the economy during the 1980's not the EEC.
The last was in 1992 when we tried to join the ERM. The world did not collapse when we left that mechanism nor when we did not join the Euro as the europhiles would have us believe at the time.

Freecall

Currency markets are global. Some very large players use extensive (and expensive) research to try and beat the other players by forecasting moves of as little as 1/100 of a percent in currency values.

What chance have I or any other readers of this forum got of beating them.

Trying to second guess or 'time' the markets is for the brave.

When it comes to money, I’ll stick to being a coward.

teddysmum

If things are left as they are ,there will be little health care, too few school places, overcrowded living, more crime (as foreign criminals are allowed in but rarely sent out and the general public become frustrated, so rebel ) and higher taxes to fund all the children born, as many foreign cultures revolve around large families;not to mention the UK having no say in law.


Even some of the pro-immigration countries are saying things have gone too far.


We will soon be just like the Third World, but the 'I'm alright Jack' politicians and the wealthy will be cocooned and unaffected.

PensionTech

If things are left as they are ,there will be little health care, too few school places, overcrowded living, more crime (as foreign criminals are allowed in but rarely sent out and the general public become frustrated, so rebel ) and higher taxes to fund all the children born, as many foreign cultures revolve around large families;not to mention the UK having no say in law.

Even some of the pro-immigration countries are saying things have gone too far.

We will soon be just like the Third World, but the 'I'm alright Jack' politicians and the wealthy will be cocooned and unaffected.

Yes, it would be terrible for fellow humans to be living in third world conditions while the affluent and comfortable people deciding their fates are concerned only with themselves. We'd better make sure we reject all asylum seekers so that doesn't happen.

But enough of that - this is a conversation about pensions, rather than hysterical anti-immigration rhetoric.

dunstonh

teddysmum wrote: »

If things are left as they are ,there will be little health care, too few school places, overcrowded living, more crime (as foreign criminals are allowed in but rarely sent out and the general public become frustrated, so rebel ) and higher taxes to fund all the children born, as many foreign cultures revolve around large families;not to mention the UK having no say in law.


Even some of the pro-immigration countries are saying things have gone too far.


We will soon be just like the Third World, but the 'I'm alright Jack' politicians and the wealthy will be cocooned and unaffected.

That is a very simplistic view that focuses on the negatives of immigration. However, you totally ignore the positives that it has brought.

Non EU immigration exceeds EU immigration. So, how does leaving the EU resolve that?

While school places and hospital beds are under pressure in many areas, much of the change arises from rising birth rates, the effects of an ageing population and other factors that local and national government has failed to respond to by expanding provision.

OldBeanz

No-one has a grip on the numbers. Despite it being a Conservative party target to reduce net migration from the 'hundreds of thousands' to the 'tens of thousands'
"Since June 2010, 904,000 EU nationals moved to Britain, according to ONS data, but in comparison the DWP issued 2.25 million National Insurance numbers – a variation of 1.3 million – over the same period."
"The HMRC has refused to reveal how many National Insurance numbers issued to foreign nationals are active – which could indicate whether large numbers of immigrants have stayed in Britain or gone home."

CLAPTON

dunstonh wrote: »

That is a very simplistic view that focuses on the negatives of immigration. However, you totally ignore the positives that it has brought.

Non EU immigration exceeds EU immigration. So, how does leaving the EU resolve that?

While school places and hospital beds are under pressure in many areas, much of the change arises from rising birth rates, the effects of an ageing population and other factors that local and national government has failed to respond to by expanding provision.

do all those school and hospital places etc all come free or do we need to increase taxes to pay for them ?
I guess with all the positives from immigration no-one will mind paying more income tax to pay for the negatives.

pafpcg

OldBeanz wrote: »

The last two currency crises that the UK has had were both when we were in the EEC.

Given that the UK has been in the EEC/EU for the last 40-odd years, that statement is logically meaningless.
How about thinking of it this way: if the referendum vote results in the UK leaving, then inevitably the following will also be true:
"The next two currency crises that the UK will have will both be when we are NOT in the EEC/EU".

It's manipulative statements like this that can be used to bias poll results....

I'm with PensionTech - this pensions forum is not the place for a discussion of the pros and cons.

prosaver

coyrls wrote: »

The strongest argument that I've seen against ever having a referendum on any issue.

h a ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:)

prosaver

dunstonh wrote: »

That is a very simplistic view that focuses on the negatives of immigration. However, you totally ignore the positives that it has brought.

Non EU immigration exceeds EU immigration. So, how does leaving the EU resolve that?

While school places and hospital beds are under pressure in many areas, much of the change arises from rising birth rates, the effects of an ageing population and other factors that local and national government has failed to respond to by expanding provision.

figures and stats ..pleazeee or is it lies again;)