Just a query re. mayoral election/economy

vivatifosi

Get out of the wrong side of bed this morning Hornet Saver? All I was talking about was people in places like Amersham and Watford being the beneficiaries of investment made by London taxpayers.

I didn't for one minute suggest that everything else is milk and honey.

I hope your day gets better.

richdeniro

Sapphire wrote: »

Funny – my experience of Zac is at complete variance with yours. I believe he does use public transport. He has also had a regular job (as an editor of an environmental magazine), so he has worked in the so-called 'real' world, contrary to what those who wish to smear him would like to imply. He's also a very good, hard-working MP and his own man, and I happen to think he would make a very good mayor. The fact that he doesn't blow his own trumpet is to his credit, in my view – I prefer a mayor not to be a media personality in the way that Livingstone and Boris have been.

In any case, my query related to how a labour candidate would impact the economy of London and thereby the rest of Britain, given labour's record when it comes to the economy. I was not, in this case, intending to go into the background and sympathies of Sadiq Khan (or Zac).

I don't think Zac's looks have any bearing on when he used public transport in London (though in passing, I'd say he is not hard to look at by any means ).

Fair enough. I just don't think someone like Goldsmith will represent Londoners who live in the zone 2-4 type areas. I'm sure he'd be great for those that live in the Surrey type areas of London where the wealthy live like Richmond or those like me that live in the wealthier parts of Croydon.

The way he voted on the disability cuts pretty much confirmed my fears there and I always vote for social justice and who I feel will better look after the most vulnerable in society. Having a multimillionaire who voted to take away £30 a week from disabled people as Mayor worries me more than most as it shows he lacks empathy and is probably a sociopath.

michaels

Is this 'cut' to disabled people actually a cut of just a planned increase being cancelled? - You know, like the 'bedroom tax' is just council tenants who have a spare bedroom no longer being piad to do so by the taxpayers who may well be poorer than them and living in much smaller accomodation paid for by housing benefit and is thus actually fair and progressive, things the haters object to.

richdeniro

michaels wrote: »

Is this 'cut' to disabled people actually a cut of just a planned increase being cancelled? - You know, like the 'bedroom tax' is just council tenants who have a spare bedroom no longer being piad to do so by the taxpayers who may well be poorer than them and living in much smaller accomodation paid for by housing benefit and is thus actually fair and progressive, things the haters object to.

They planned to take 4 billion off the disability budget by scrapping PIP which amounted to around £30 a week to disabled people.

Fortunately it has now been scrapped as it was basically inhumane and in a first world civilised country we can afford to look after the most vulnerable in society.

Goldsmith voted in favour of the cut. This worries me because there is a lot of poverty in London and someone like Goldsmith is not going to look out for them especially in a time where homelessness has increased in the capital by 700% since 2010.

Sapphire

richdeniro wrote: »

Fair enough. I just don't think someone like Goldsmith will represent Londoners who live in the zone 2-4 type areas. I'm sure he'd be great for those that live in the Surrey type areas of London where the wealthy live like Richmond or those like me that live in the wealthier parts of Croydon.

Disagree. Zac is very inclusive as a local MP – that's why he was voted back in with a huge majority.

To be honest, I would feel very uneasy were Khan to be elected, given his support of extremists and his highly probable hidden agenda. In his avidity for power, he says what people want to hear (he flimflams from point of view to point of view, depending on the prevailing wind), rather than stating his true beliefs, and I do not trust him.

With Zac and his record, I feel he says what he believes, despite numerous attempts to discredit him on flimsy ground. He is his own man and has often declared himself against certain proposals by his own party. He is polite and controlled – but I prefer someone like that as a London mayor to a controversial 'celebrity' figure like the last two mayors. I'm heartily sick of celebrities overall, in fact…:cool:

CLAPTON

richdeniro wrote: »

They planned to take 4 billion off the disability budget by scrapping PIP which amounted to around £30 a week to disabled people.

Fortunately it has now been scrapped as it was basically inhumane and in a first world civilised country we can afford to look after the most vulnerable in society.

Goldsmith voted in favour of the cut. This worries me because there is a lot of poverty in London and someone like Goldsmith is not going to look out for them especially in a time where homelessness has increased in the capital by 700% since 2010.

what EXACTLY were the proposals?
my understanding, based on a phone in program, was that people who were receiving the benefit, had to be re-assessed to see if their condition had changed.
That seemed completely reasonable.

richdeniro

Sapphire wrote: »

Disagree. Zac is very inclusive as a local MP – that's why he was voted back in with a huge majority.

To be honest, I would feel very uneasy were Khan to be elected, given his support of extremists and his highly probable hidden agenda. In his avidity for power, he says what people want to hear (he flimflams from point of view to point of view, depending on the prevailing wind), rather than stating his true beliefs, and I do not trust him.

With Zac and his record, I feel he says what he believes, despite numerous attempts to discredit him on flimsy ground. He is his own man and has often declared himself against certain proposals by his own party. He is polite and controlled – but I prefer someone like that as a London mayor to a controversial 'celebrity' figure like the last two mayors. I'm heartily sick of celebrities overall, in fact…:cool:

I'd hardly say that Richmond is a representative borough for London. Your average Richmond voter isn't the same as someone who lives in Camberwell, Harringay or Peckham.

I'm not a fan of Sadiq Khan either but to say he supports extremists is ridiculous. Have you swallowed the Linton Crosby/Daily Mail line hook, line and sinker? It's about as ridiculous as when the republicans attacked Obama in 2008 because of his name. Even Tory MP's are lining up to criticise Goldsmith for the disgusting Daily Mail article today.

Do you have any defence for Goldsmiths consistent voting record on welfare for the most vulnerable?

richdeniro

CLAPTON wrote: »

what EXACTLY were the proposals?
my understanding, based on a phone in program, was that people who were receiving the benefit, had to be re-assessed to see if their condition had changed.
That seemed completely reasonable.

Probably best you read this as it puts it clearer than I could.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/disability-benefit-cuts-what-is-pip-u-turn-george-osborne-why-a6943976.html

chewmylegoff

richdeniro wrote: »

They planned to take 4 billion off the disability budget by scrapping PIP which amounted to around £30 a week to disabled people.

Fortunately it has now been scrapped as it was basically inhumane and in a first world civilised country we can afford to look after the most vulnerable in society.

Goldsmith voted in favour of the cut. This worries me because there is a lot of poverty in London and someone like Goldsmith is not going to look out for them especially in a time where homelessness has increased in the capital by 700% since 2010.

The plan to cut PIP was actually a targeted one to remove ongoing benefits payments being made to a relatively small subset of people with disabilities whose disability resulted in no increased costs of living. E.g. People whose needs could be met by having a handrail installed in their bathroom (who would instead get a handrail installed in their bathroom and not receive an ongoing payment of £30 a week for no reason).

The lefties saw their opportunity and presented it as rich tories stealing food money from people in wheelchairs and the BBC ran news pieces showing severely disabled paraplegics protesting outside westminster as they had been told the government was taking their benefits away.

chewmylegoff

richdeniro wrote: »

I'd hardly say that Richmond is a representative borough for London. Your average Richmond voter isn't the same as someone who lives in Camberwell, Harringay or Peckham.

I'm not a fan of Sadiq Khan either but to say he supports extremists is ridiculous. Have you swallowed the Linton Crosby/Daily Mail line hook, line and sinker? It's about as ridiculous as when the republicans attacked Obama in 2008 because of his name. Even Tory MP's are lining up to criticise Goldsmith for the disgusting Daily Mail article today.

Do you have any defence for Goldsmiths consistent voting record on welfare for the most vulnerable?

Why are only the voters from the crapper areas of London considered to be "representative"?