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If we vote to Remain what happens?
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I've no doubt there are numerous such agencies covering a multitude of disciplines all over Europe. After Brexit we'll set up our own agencies, every one of which will be UK based employing mostly UK people.
All those NEW agencies costing money to set up competing for qualified staff (not necessarily UK citizens)
And slowly bit by bit the money saved (by leaving the EU) is used up.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
I've no doubt there are numerous such agencies covering a multitude of disciplines all over Europe. After Brexit we'll set up our own agencies, every one of which will be UK based employing mostly UK people.
I thought we would be saving money? I thought we would be sweeping away all of those bureaucratic regulations? So in fact we will be creating our own?100 of thousands of jobs are lost and created each year
anyway most of those particular jobs are filled by non UK citizens
You are right
http://ec.europa.eu/civil_service/docs/europa_sp2_bs_nat_x_grade_en.pdf
Quite surprising how few Brits are employed in the commission, Of course maybe if we had more then we might get a better deal from them! Apparently there is a shortage of candidates for the posts from the UK.
We will also lose the European Banking Agency based in Cannary Wharf.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I thought we would be saving money? I thought we would be sweeping away all of those bureaucratic regulations? So in fact we will be creating our own?
We may decide to duplicate an EU agency, alternatively we may agree to part fund it with the EU. Or we may decide the agencies aims could be achieved with fewer staff and based in Rochdale instead of expensive London.
Most importantly the decision will rest with us, not the EU.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
We will also lose the European Banking Agency based in Cannary Wharf.
Well, we have all the expertise. For the EU, moving it to another country is messy, disruptive and expensive. You can't just train hundreds of personnel from scratch overnight.
Just because we're leaving the EU doesn't mean we'll be severing all ties. There may be many areas such as banking where we'll need to work in harmony with the EU. Norway and Iceland have similar arrangements and do host some agencies.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
Does Mr cvameron beleive that the UK leaving the UK will result in a substantial risk of a major European war as is report ed this morning?
If he does then what on earth was he doing using brinkmanship to negotiate a small temporary reduction in in-work benefits for EU migrants?
How can the small saving in benefits/reduction in attractiveness of the UK to EU migrants ever be worth the risk of having to leave the EU if no agreement woud have lead to his campaigning for Brexit.
From this I conclude that either the negoiations were carried out in bad faith because the UK would have accepted whatever outcome resulted or the PM does not really think that our leaving the EU might lead to continental war.
Does he say substantial risk or risk?
It's a good point but I guess the counter-argument is that removing the requirement for the UK to agree a relentless move towards ever closer integration owas the sort of existentialist threat that required taking that risk.0 -
We may decide to duplicate an EU agency, alternatively we may agree to part fund it with the EU. Or we may decide the agencies aims could be achieved with fewer staff and based in Rochdale instead of expensive London.
Most importantly the decision will rest with us, not the EU.
Well if we only want to part fund it, the EU might feel they have a tiny say in what happens!
The whole purpose of these agencies are to organise activities on an EU wide basis. I accept that after a Brexit, if the UK were to work with the EU in a similar way to Norway they "might" consider allowing a UK based agency to continue being based in the UK for the time being. But if, as many Brexit supporters advocate, we exist outside of the EU, why would they want us to be involved in (for example) getting a new drug through the approvals processes in Italy?Well, we have all the expertise. For the EU, moving it to another country is messy, disruptive and expensive. You can't just train hundreds of personnel from scratch overnight.
True but I doubt it would continue unless we were in a Norway like arrangement which would mean we were funding most of what you want us to stop funding.Just because we're leaving the EU doesn't mean we'll be severing all ties. There may be many areas such as banking where we'll need to work in harmony with the EU.
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Pleased to hear it. Of course we can negotiate with the EU on banking regulation and systems, in the same way that the US speak to the EU. But the US are not as far as I know involved in the European Banking Agency.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Well if we only want to part fund it, the EU might feel they have a tiny say in what happens!
The whole purpose of these agencies are to organise activities on an EU wide basis. I accept that after a Brexit, if the UK were to work with the EU in a similar way to Norway they "might" consider allowing a UK based agency to continue being based in the UK for the time being. But if, as many Brexit supporters advocate, we exist outside of the EU, why would they want us to be involved in (for example) getting a new drug through the approvals processes in Italy?
True but I doubt it would continue unless we were in a Norway like arrangement which would mean we were funding most of what you want us to stop funding.
Pleased to hear it. Of course we can negotiate with the EU on banking regulation and systems, in the same way that the US speak to the EU. But the US are not as far as I know involved in the European Banking Agency.
There will be many possibilities outside the EU and it depends on your point of view whether you wish to look for the negative in any situation.
If the EU want to co-operate, fine. If they don't we'll just do what other free countries do and manage our affairs however we think appropriate.If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
There will be many possibilities outside the EU and it depends on your point of view whether you wish to look for the negative in any situation.
If the EU want to co-operate, fine. If they don't we'll just do what other free countries do and manage our affairs however we think appropriate.
Yes let's manage our affairs at our expense.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
But if, as many Brexit supporters advocate, we exist outside of the EU, why would they want us to be involved in (for example) getting a new drug through the approvals processes in Italy?
Pfizer, and many more non EU drugs companies trade with EU citizens no problem. Microsoft, Samsung, Sony and all the rest sell things to Europe.
Trade will always come about as long as we provide products and services people wish to buy.
This obsession with political union is quite the oddest thing0
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