If we vote to Remain what happens?

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Which bit that he's saying is incorrect? France and Germany fought 3 wars in quick succession prior to the EU coming into being and the break-up of Yugoslavia wasn't pretty.

IMHO it's a perfectly reasonable point to make.

you believe the conclusion just like Livingston really believes that Hilter loved the Jews

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

you believe the conclusion just like Livingston really believes that Hilter loved the Jews

Congratulations. You managed to shoehorn Godwin's Law and a strawman into a 14 word post.

At least it stopped you banging on about immigrants.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Congratulations. You managed to shoehorn Godwin's Law and a strawman into a 14 word post.

At least it stopped you banging on about immigrants.

You get even sadder by the day. However, it is inevitable that an acolyte abandons both logic and analytic skills in defense of their chosen 'religion'.
In this context Hilter is relevant and topical.

I wonder in WW3 will involve Aus?

mrginge

Remain have commissioned a series of fact-based documentaries on what the country will look like if we vote brexit.

Monday nights, 9pm, Sky Atlantic.

michaels

I can understand that someone could agree with what Cameron is saying about the risk to Europe of the UK leaving the EU and the EU unravelling.

However if you hold that position then I think it is impossible doublethink to also hold that Cameron's renegotiation is of any substance as under the first premis there is no way that any EU structue would be worth leaving, how can any set of EU rules be worse than WW3?

So one position or the other but not both please.

mayonnaise

mrginge wrote: »

Remain have commissioned a series of fact-based documentaries on what the country will look like if we vote brexit.

Monday nights, 9pm, Sky Atlantic.

Yep, will surely be 'fact based' as it's on the Murdoch channel. Enjoy.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

I can understand that someone could agree with what Cameron is saying about the risk to Europe of the UK leaving the EU and the EU unravelling.

However if you hold that position then I think it is impossible doublethink to also hold that Cameron's renegotiation is of any substance as under the first premis there is no way that any EU structue would be worth leaving, how can any set of EU rules be worse than WW3?

So one position or the other but not both please.

I don't understand your post. Could you try again (not being contrary just trying to understand something that might be interesting).

I can see some of the point of the Brexit argument, especially that piece of analysis that was released a couple of weeks back. Then I read what CLAPTON has to say and the whole thing just collapses back in my brain to Brexit = pathetic little Englander.

I think that it's a genuine problem Brexit has: there are good arguments to be made for Brexit but there are also a lot of the UKIP, racists-in-cardigans types supporting it which puts a lot of normal people off I think.

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yep, will surely be 'fact based' as it's on the Murdoch channel. Enjoy.

A quick antrobus suggests that the program concerned is Game of Thrones.

gfplux

mayonnaise wrote: »

UK would lose two pharma bodies in event of Brexit.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1a5df2de-13a2-11e6-91da-096d89bd2173.html#axzz4852eKYnk

This is an actual true effect of the outcome of the referendum. It may not be a first but it comes close.
Surely the posters on here can come up with real effects from the cause (the result of the referendum)
Surely we have had enough of " I think this, I believe that, I heard that, my neighbour said this)

michaels

Does Mr cvameron beleive that the UK leaving the UK will result in a substantial risk of a major European war as is report ed this morning?

If he does then what on earth was he doing using brinkmanship to negotiate a small temporary reduction in in-work benefits for EU migrants?

How can the small saving in benefits/reduction in attractiveness of the UK to EU migrants ever be worth the risk of having to leave the EU if no agreement woud have lead to his campaigning for Brexit.

From this I conclude that either the negoiations were carried out in bad faith because the UK would have accepted whatever outcome resulted or the PM does not really think that our leaving the EU might lead to continental war.

gfplux

michaels wrote: »

So the biggest EU body in the UK employs 600 - I wonder how many the biggest EU bodies in France, Belgium and Luxembourg employ.....

I have asked this question and have had no reply but we can guess that there are many 1000's of British citizens employed by the EU on behalf on Britain that will loose their jobs