Do people think native English people will be forced to move to out of London?

Sapphire

CLAPTON wrote: »

we need to build more houses to meet the needs of our present population

we need to limit immigration to limit the population growth to slow the decline in housing strandard, the decline in transport standards the decline in health care standards the decline in education etc

I agree with this. I've been doing an interesting course about Stuart London, and the same types of issue were occurring then! There was a huge influx of migrants to London from the countryside. Apparently, the 'failed migrants' ended up sleeping on the street – and there were very many of them. Those who managed to get jobs (as artisans and so on) got by, but only the very affluent flourished.

Hard to make comparisons between now and then (and most other historical periods), but what does stand out is that you do need to limit immigration to prevent the whole populace from suffering and incurring very poor conditions. Not limiting migration would impoverish us all (except extremely wealthy financiers and other such, who are probably helping to engineer the situation to lower wages, etc.), given that health care, education, etc., is given freely to all courtesy of taxpayers.

Jason74

cells wrote: »

The shortage of homes only really started in the early 2000s so we have failed to build sufficient homes for about 15 years not for 40 years!

I would argue that a small excess was built up from 1970-2000 especially in Inner London where the socialist labour councils went on a council house building boom so much so that Hackney Islington & Tower Hamlets built so many that the council stock grew to almost 60% of the homes in those boroughs. Of course since 60% of the people of those boroughs were not poor what happened is that those boroughs shipped in poor people from around London and turned those once respectable inner London boroughs into Ghettos
With the right to buy and some additional new builds the social homes in those areas has fallen to the ~40% mark and those inner London areas have become a little more desirable as a result

Sorry, but this post is just silly.

lisyloo

HornetSaver wrote: »

If you stick 10 million jobs within an 10 mile radius, you need a way of housing 10 million workers regardless of what they're worth. :doh:

It's called commuting.
About 8 million people manage to work in London at the moment.
Many (myself included) do not have the ideal accomodation they would like for a price they would like however they have clearly still decided it's worth doing (otherwise they wouldn't be doing it).

It's not ideal but I'd suggest to you that very few London workers aren't living in some form of shelter.

mwpt

lisyloo wrote: »

It's called commuting.
About 8 million people manage to work in London at the moment.
Many (myself included) do not have the ideal accomodation they would like for a price they would like however they have clearly still decided it's worth doing (otherwise they wouldn't be doing it).

It's not ideal but I'd suggest to you that very few London workers aren't living in some form of shelter.

I'm unsure what you are objecting to. You do not wish for more homes to be built in London, closer to work locations, easing transport, improving lives?

lisyloo

mwpt wrote: »

I'm unsure what you are objecting to. You do not wish for more homes to be built in London, closer to work locations, easing transport, improving lives?

There's absolutely tons of building going on in London all the time, but it's a finite space.

I don't think it's realistic today to expect the 8-10 million people who work in London plus their families plus all the supporting infrastructure (hospitals, schools. Mosques, fire stations, doctors, dentists, shops) to be able to be housed within the distance (10 miles) quoted by Hornetsaver.

mwpt

@lisyloo

I don't really know what is possible in London aside from what is desirable. There should be a lot of new stock coming to the city over the next few years as I see a lot of building going on.

I think it would be great if low or high rises were built in places to the east of the city in zone 2, with decent cycle routes constructed linking the working hubs. Cycling to work (safely) is a boon I miss about my previous life.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

@lisyloo

I don't really know what is possible in London aside from what is desirable. There should be a lot of new stock coming to the city over the next few years as I see a lot of building going on.

I think it would be great if low or high rises were built in places to the east of the city in zone 2, with decent cycle routes constructed linking the working hubs. Cycling to work (safely) is a boon I miss about my previous life.

over the next few years (says says 5) there will be an extra 500,000 people to house : the building rate isn't sufficient to meet the increase let alone make up the existing deficit so ever worsening standards of housing are inevitable

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

over the next few years (says says 5) there will be an extra 500,000 people to house : the building rate isn't sufficient to meet the increase let alone make up the existing deficit so ever worsening standards of housing are inevitable

People will eventually make the correct choice to not move to London and businesses will make the correct choice to relocate.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

People will eventually make the correct choice to not move to London and businesses will make the correct choice to relocate.

There are probably 5,000,000,000 people who can benefit before that happens
and so that will make the UK born people massively poorer.

botchjob

For anyone really interested in being informed about modern London, infrastructure, and immigration, there are two very good books which have recently been published on the subjects. Ben Judah's THIS IS LONDON provides a brilliant look at the real lives of immigrants in the city (away from Daily Mail and message board bigotry); and Rowan Moore's SLOW BURN CITY looks at how the fabric of London has changed in recent decades, and the outlook for the future.

Of course, some may prefer to fire off poorly formed opinions about things they don't really understand. Two dimensions are so much simpler than three.