EU Specific Negatives

CLAPTON

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I believe in massively cutting back on the state provision of all sorts of 'free' stuff with tests on what you have paid in to determine what you get out. No automatic rights to housing and benefits for anyone regardless of where they were born.

yes but do you believe in the unlimited free movement of people into and out of the UK?

Mistermeaner

No.

What has that got to do with the EU?

CLAPTON

Mistermeaner wrote: »

No.

What has that got to do with the EU?

broadly speaking immigration is an issue relevant to the EU stay or go
and I was interested in what the consequences would be of your believe that

I see no reason to discriminate against someone born somewhere else - why does being born within our borders give anyone special entitlement to anything?

of course what appears to be a natural consequences to me may not be to you.

Mistermeaner

CLAPTON wrote: »

broadly speaking immigration is an issue relevant to the EU stay or go
and I was interested in what the consequences would be of your believe that



of course what appears to be a natural consequences to me may not be to you.

As I understand things the UK is currently in the EU and has control of its borders.

CLAPTON

Mistermeaner wrote: »

As I understand things the UK is currently in the EU and has control of its borders.

the UK has no control over entry of EU citizens

Mistermeaner

It has an agreement with the EU on free movement of EU persons which works all ways. It screens people at its borders and knows who is coming in and out.

I believe if access to benefits housing etc was restricted (for everyone) then your issues of mass nett migration would be greatly lessoned.

I have no issue with people who come here to work, I support free market inc labour. Free housing etc skews free market economics by migrants disproportionately favouring nations with generous welfare systems.

CLAPTON

Mistermeaner wrote: »

It has an agreement with the EU on free movement of EU persons which works all ways. It screens people at its borders and knows who is coming in and out.

I believe if access to benefits housing etc was restricted (for everyone) then your issues of mass nett migration would be greatly lessoned.

I have no issue with people who come here to work, I support free market inc labour. Free housing etc skews free market economics by migrants disproportionately favouring nations with generous welfare systems.

it would appear to me that your comment

I see no reason to discriminate against someone born somewhere else - why does being born within our borders give anyone special entitlement to anything?

could be taken to mean that anyone in the world should have the same entitlement here in the UK as some-one born in the UK; as anything else would seem to be discriminatory

Mistermeaner

I would welcome anyone here to come and work and pay taxes and buy/rent a house and go shopping and breed.

I would offer no freebies to anyone who does not put in to the system.

I believe migration issues and overcrowding / stretched services result from people being given free stuff by the state, such that market forces do not prevail. Uk citizens in social housing in central London are as much an issue as the oft cited immigrants causing all the problems

CLAPTON

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I would welcome anyone here to come and work and pay taxes and buy/rent a house and go shopping and breed.

I guess it would be a good test to show that massive increases in population make us much poorer but fortunately we won't be doing that.

Mistermeaner

Well I'm currently voting in. Still consider myself on the fence though