EU Specific Negatives

mwpt

I realise we have enough Brexit threads already but I wanted to have a brief thread on the specific negatives which are making you vote OUT of Europe. But I'm really interested here in being as specific as possible and relating it to your real life daily experience. Could you list just the top three issues along with a concrete example of the issue.

So if for example, you live in London and you believe it is EU specific immigration that is responsible for high house prices and keeping you renting, then please list this.

Another example might be if you run a business and there is an EU specific law that is detrimental to your business, which would not be in place if we were outside.

Or if you live in an area of high overcrowding and for example when you go to the doctor all the people in the waiting room are EU nationals making your wait times longer.

Or perhaps you are in a trade and people from outside your area are coming in and keeping your wages down.

I will not be voting out, but here an example:

1) Euro currency. I believe this has caused more financial harm in Europe than would have been the case if each state had retained it's own currency and could control it's own fate a little more directly. The backlash against Europe because Greece could not impose it's own QE and deal with the consequences directly is a negative IMO. I believe the Euro is trying to solve a particular problem (shared monetary and fiscal policies) but without the real political will behind it means it is impotent and worse, detrimental. It impacts me because I believe growth in Europe would have been better without the Euro and that as a strong partner in Europe, the UK would have experienced even stronger growth than we have today.

Mistermeaner

How has your example impacted your daily life?

mwpt

Mistermeaner wrote: »

How has your example impacted your daily life?

Yes, good question. I had to think fairly hard for something that probably impacted my daily life and that was just about the closest I could come. UK GDP and wages may have recovered faster if the Eurozone had recovered faster. Perhaps we would have seen a shorter period of austerity and perhaps my teacher partner would have had a higher salary. There are a lot of ifs and buts in there, it's the best I could do.

globalds

Mistermeaner wrote: »

How has your example impacted your daily life?

I could be breathing cleaner air

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/car-emissions-government-under-attack-over-cameron-s-testing-favour-to-merkel-a6668491.html

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

UK GDP and wages may have recovered faster if the Eurozone had recovered faster.

Why would the UK directly benefit from an economic improvement in either Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia or Slovenia ?

chewmylegoff

Personally I found the law around car seats (which results from an overlapping EU directive and a further EU regulation which says something quite different to the directive, but both are in force at the same time) painfully confusing.

Other than that I can't think of anything much. I can't really think of anything that impacts me that it has made much better either.

Generali

Being in the EU definitely caused me more paperwork while working in the hedge fund as we, ridiculously as we were only seeded, came under MiFID. That was expensive and, worse, time consuming.

The UK latterly imposing the Social Contract (?) cost me some lucrative contracting work but I'd be more inclined to blame that on Labour for giving away the opt out.

Those are the two things that I can say are definite negative personal impacts of the EU.

Mistermeaner

mwpt wrote: »

Yes, good question. I had to think fairly hard for something that probably impacted my daily life and that was just about the closest I could come. UK GDP and wages may have recovered faster if the Eurozone had recovered faster. Perhaps we would have seen a shorter period of austerity and perhaps my teacher partner would have had a higher salary. There are a lot of ifs and buts in there, it's the best I could do.

I'm still confused as why you would link a teachers salary to the EU recovery.

And even if there was a link surely the UK being in the Union helped the EU recovery and from your logic will have therefore boosted your partner's salary

wymondham

Good thread. I can't think of a specific that directly affects me, but I imagine there are a few things which do impact on me but I don't know it for this reason. Sorry I sound like George Bush's 'known unknowns...!'

Enterprise_1701C

What I want to know is what our "friend" Barak Obama will come out with, considering they would never consider joining a narcissistic non-democratic organisation that just wants to ruin the economies of the countries that join it so they can never leave it.

I put friend in inverted commas because it is a very one-sided relationship, and he has been known to call the Falkand Islands the Malvinas.

I believe, and have always believed, that it is simply the Germans invading by the back door. Yes, there are good things about it, but there are a lot of bad too, we no longer run our own country and are told off for flying The George Cross.

We joined the Common Market, we did not join the federal states of the European Union.

Generali

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

What I want to know is what our "friend" Barak Obama will come out with, considering they would never consider joining a narcissistic non-democratic organisation that just wants to ruin the economies of the countries that join it so they can never leave it.

I put friend in inverted commas because it is a very one-sided relationship, and he has been known to call the Falkand Islands the Malvinas.

I believe, and have always believed, that it is simply the Germans invading by the back door. Yes, there are good things about it, but there are a lot of bad too, we no longer run our own country and are told off for flying The George Cross.

We joined the Common Market, we did not join the federal states of the European Union.

Cheers enterprise.

Does that mean that you can't think of anything specific?